Nick's Collingwood Bulletin Board

swoop42 wrote:Drafted to St Kilda and sentenced to mediocrity.

Poor bastard.

Mediocrity is running around in the seconds in a suburban or bush league.

Playing in the AFL isn't mediocrity even if you're playing for a shit club.

Haha! I think there might be a few Sandgropers ready to take issue with your characterisation of the WAFL as a "Bush League".

Not that I'd necessarily be among them...

35forever wrote:Haha! I think there might be a few Sandgropers ready to take issue with your characterisation of the WAFL as a "Bush League".

Not that I'd necessarily be among them...

I don't think Stui was referring to the WAFL.

It's a well known, and proven fact that the WAFL is the 2nd best league in the country.

All the best to Marshy.

Go the Pies!

This story from last November gave some insight into Marsh's mental demons and his departure from Collingwood. He attached no blame to the club.

After two years, ex-Pie 'desperate' for return to the big time
Callum Twomey
Nov 1, 2018 10:28AM

FORMER Collingwood defender Jonathon Marsh says he is desperate for a return to the AFL, two years after quitting the game as he battled mental health issues.

The athletic and quick backman retired at the end of 2016 when his trade request to a West Australian club fell through. He had a year to run on his contract with the Pies.

However, after two seasons back with East Fremantle in the WAFL, the 23-year-old is searching for a second chance and will nominate for next month's NAB AFL Draft.

"I'm 110 per cent in. I'm fully committed. That's why I've been doing the work when nobody's watching because I'm so desperate for that second chance. I'm that keen for it that it's quite remarkable," Marsh said.

Marsh far from regrets his call to leave Collingwood and depart the AFL scene. He says it was a call he had been contemplating for months before he pulled the pin on a promising career in the black and white that had seen him play 15 games as a raw but powerful tall backman.

"It wore me down and caught me off guard because I wasn't prepared for it and I didn't really manage it well. By the time [the mental health issue] really clicked into gear I was thinking 'I can't be here'," he said.

"Not because of Melbourne or playing at Collingwood, because I was enjoying my time there, but I was actually quite scared about my wellbeing. I knew my support systems were back in Perth and that to get better I probably needed to be surrounded by family and friends.

"It wasn't a negative decision, I'm actually quite proud of it to be honest. I wouldn't change it."

Marsh first visited a sports psychologist in the middle of his second AFL season, 2015, before then meeting a clinical psychologist. He realised he wasn't unhappy about his football but felt himself "shutting down" behind the scenes.

In his third season, despite playing 10 games that year, he started to withdraw from teammates.

"I was living by myself in Melbourne. I felt extremely lonely and I knew that I needed to get out and be social with my friends and my teammates. I was surrounded by them but I just couldn't do that,' he said.

"I knew I had to but I just didn’t want to. That was quite upsetting for me because the boys would be saying to come around and watch TV or come for lunch or for a barbeque, and I couldn't think of anything worse. I'd lock myself in my one-bedroom apartment and seek some solitude. Everyone knows that you do that and it's not going to help."

Even during the trade period, when he was waiting to see if the Pies could facilitate his request to get back to Perth, he doubted whether he even wanted to continue his career. He told Collingwood and his family of his intention to end his career and took up a course in primary school teaching.

Marsh, whose older brother Harry was recently delisted by Sydney, went back to East Fremantle, the club he was drafted from, and spent his first season back there playing in the midfield. Marsh gradually felt a little brighter each day, and he visited his psychologist weekly, and then fortnightly.

About halfway through 2017, his psychologist said she thought it was time Marsh ended the sessions as she thought he had worked through his issues. This year he settled back into his role deep in defence and relished it.

"That second half of last year I didn't think the love for the game would come back as quickly as it did. It multiplied this year to be even stronger than before I got drafted. It caught me a bit by surprise, it's been fantastic," he said.

"I'm absolutely keen for another shot. The work that I've done personally in the two years I've been out of the system has been very valuable for me."

Marsh said he is going to move to Melbourne with his girlfriend at the end of the year as she completes her master's degree at university, so quashed any concerns clubs could have about his ability to move.

"It's not like that fear of homesickness and the lure of WA is going to keep me away from an AFL lifeline if it's thrown my way because I'm already prepared to move," he said.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-11-01/a ... e-big-time

Pity he left the Pies. Imagine if a fit a firing Marsh was playing in the backline last September, how different things could have turned out.

Woods wrote:... He attached no blame to the club.
...

Publicly, at least.

The club probably does have some (or a lot of) culpability.

Woods wrote: Pity he left the Pies. Imagine if a fit a firing Marsh was playing in the backline last September, how different things could have turned out.

Hardly ever fit and I don't recall him ever firing.

Imagine if a Dunn or Scharenberg was in our back line last September?

themonk wrote:

Woods wrote: Pity he left the Pies. Imagine if a fit a firing Marsh was playing in the backline last September, how different things could have turned out.

Hardly ever fit and I don't recall him ever firing.

Imagine if a Dunn or Scharenberg was in our back line last September?

He had raw talent. I think our development programs are now the very best in the AFL, and I am sure that we could have transformed him into a great defender. You don't recall him firing because he played so few AFL games, but he had something about him I thought was very promising. I was sorry when he left, and now I am also sorry that he did not approach us for a second chance. Clearly though, that was not to be. Not because we did not look after him enough while he was down (I think there is no evidence of that whatsoever). But it is always difficult to go back to a place than one left while very downspirited. He would seek a fresh start.

Magpietothemax wrote:

themonk wrote:

Woods wrote: Pity he left the Pies. Imagine if a fit a firing Marsh was playing in the backline last September, how different things could have turned out.

Hardly ever fit and I don't recall him ever firing.

Imagine if a Dunn or Scharenberg was in our back line last September?

He had raw talent. I think our development programs are now the very best in the AFL, and I am sure that we could have transformed him into a great defender. You don't recall him firing because he played so few AFL games, but he had something about him I thought was very promising. I was sorry when he left, and now I am also sorry that he did not approach us for a second chance. Clearly though, that was not to be. Not because we did not look after him enough while he was down (I think there is no evidence of that whatsoever). But it is always difficult to go back to a place than one left while very downspirited. He would seek a fresh start.

I suspect that if all was well we would have managed his progress and he would have been back with us, as this is not the case then good luck to him but I'll not worry about Marsh even if he goes on to have a long AFL career.

Well, another side got him. An experienced Magpie player with great ability & leadership skills. To me this is mismanagement by the club.
With a bit of help from the AFL screwing us again. The only 3 players who have lost years from their careers have been Magpies, & Murray also costs a place on our list which Jono could've taken

Jono Marsh has been selected to make his StK debut this week.

If the kid isn't over his mental demons then going to Canberra in the middle of an election campaign will do his head in.

Rambo dropped to make way for him.

Congrats to Marshy.

Wish him well, except against us if he does stay in the team for our round 9 clash with them.

My past prediction that he could eclipse Alex Rance is still alive

Jono Marsh has been alternating with Nathan Brown in selection. There's a small chance we'll see them both play against the Pies next week.