Not using it as any kind of excuse. What I was trying to say is that it would be interesting to see how they handle it this year. At the end of the day, St Kilda are not Brisbane yet! They have handled every challenge so far this year so we will see how they handle this one. They have after all been now touted as one of the premiership favourites.Daks wrote:Thats a piss weak excuse! Brisbane proved that it wasn't a factor last year!. Oh and Carlton also won the week after coming back from perth.spoljar wrote:Also must take into account the fact they are travelling back from Perth.
Pre match: COLLINGWOOD v Saints - all comments here...
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Unfortunately I took into account the fact that they travelled to Perth last week in my tipping and ended up with another disastrous effort. Travelling doesn't seem to upset them and they are playing on their favourite ground.spoljar wrote:Also must take into account the fact they are travelling back from Perth.
Our guys can win but it will probably be beyond them at this stage. Its good to see Nixon and Mullins given another chance. I also hope Williams can get his best form back.
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Fair go Maggies2003, lets give Bo a chance, a few games, some time to handle the pace of AFL, after all it can't be easy starting AFL for any team at any time let alone in a team low on wins and confidence and a mass of expectant fans and media piling on the pressure. I'm sure he will pick up the pace with a few games under his belt.
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I've made how I think the teams will line up......
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~COLLINGWOOD~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
B Baker Hudghton Maguire
F Davis Tarrant Lokan
HB Schwarze Penny Jones
HF Williams Rocca Didak
C Dal Santo Ball Clarke
C Mullins Licuria Woewodin
HF Hamill Riewoldt Guerra
HB Wakelin Clement Swan
F Milne Gehrig Koschitzke
B Johnson Walker Cloke
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ST.KILDA~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
R Knobel Powell Harvey
R Richards O'Bree McGough
INT Fisher Thompson Blake Goddard
INT Kinnear Cole Nixon Lonie
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~COLLINGWOOD~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
B Baker Hudghton Maguire
F Davis Tarrant Lokan
HB Schwarze Penny Jones
HF Williams Rocca Didak
C Dal Santo Ball Clarke
C Mullins Licuria Woewodin
HF Hamill Riewoldt Guerra
HB Wakelin Clement Swan
F Milne Gehrig Koschitzke
B Johnson Walker Cloke
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ST.KILDA~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
R Knobel Powell Harvey
R Richards O'Bree McGough
INT Fisher Thompson Blake Goddard
INT Kinnear Cole Nixon Lonie
Barge
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the pies only have to do two things to win the game on saturday. Exactly how we defeated St Kilda last year when they were up and about.
1. Stifle the Saints midfield. Saints style of play is a quick clearance with a long kick to the forward. A majority of their goals have come from deep kicks to a position rather than actually spotting up a player. If we can lock down the midfield or limit the effectiveness of their kicks we will win. If they have to work for possession rather than a free flowing game we will get on top. Im not talking about flooding, just accountable man on man football. Having seen St Kilda a few times on tv this year it looks like opposition teams try to outplay or rough them up. Accountable football is the only way to get on top of them.
2. Hold Gehrig to 3 goals or less. if we limit his supply by locking down the midfield or beating him man on man we will win. If he doesnt fire we will win as they dont have a backup goal kicker. Riewoldt is fine at getting the ball but he is not a type of player who will kick a bag. Milne is always outpointed by Johnno and Hamil is another player who can get the ball yet he is not a noted goal kicker.
1. Stifle the Saints midfield. Saints style of play is a quick clearance with a long kick to the forward. A majority of their goals have come from deep kicks to a position rather than actually spotting up a player. If we can lock down the midfield or limit the effectiveness of their kicks we will win. If they have to work for possession rather than a free flowing game we will get on top. Im not talking about flooding, just accountable man on man football. Having seen St Kilda a few times on tv this year it looks like opposition teams try to outplay or rough them up. Accountable football is the only way to get on top of them.
2. Hold Gehrig to 3 goals or less. if we limit his supply by locking down the midfield or beating him man on man we will win. If he doesnt fire we will win as they dont have a backup goal kicker. Riewoldt is fine at getting the ball but he is not a type of player who will kick a bag. Milne is always outpointed by Johnno and Hamil is another player who can get the ball yet he is not a noted goal kicker.
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That is why we will lose this match. We don't have the manpower to do that.Stifle the Saints midfield. Saints style of play is a quick clearance with a long kick to the forward. A majority of their goals have come from deep kicks to a position rather than actually spotting up a player. If we can lock down the midfield or limit the effectiveness of their kicks we will win. If they have to work for possession rather than a free flowing game we will get on top. Im not talking about flooding, just accountable man on man football. Having seen St Kilda a few times on tv this year it looks like opposition teams try to outplay or rough them up. Accountable football is the only way to get on top of them.
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There are three important areas of this match, and we need to win all of them to get up.
1. The key to winning this match is the midfields, and ours is minus three of the best players in the game (buckley, Burns, Fraser) and theirs is minus one, theirs is in incredible form and ours isn't - we must go into this game like we did against the port game - win one on one contests all over the ground, grind their midifled to a halt.
Licca on Harvey - Harvey is in great form and licca needs to get 20 tackles and shut him down - a big ask but he's the right man for the job.
Woey on Jones - a defensive HFF? yes, and hopefully he can hurt him too, but Woey needs to cut Jones run out of defense. Woey needs to lift for this one.
the rest of the midfield just need to play hard accountable one on one football.
2. Their height in the forward line looks daunting on paper, but in reality it's not so bad, they never have them all down there at once. We know the key is to stop Gerig. With Presti in we would've been fine, it's a bit more of a stretch now.
Wakelin on Gerig. Wakes is up to it, play in front and play hard, hope someone can get across in front if needed. That's the key in the backline.
Clement on Riewolt is a good match up provided Clement doesn't get outmarked like last time - if that happens we're in trouble! but clement shouldb eable to do as well as any of them.
Hamil is a tough one - I rekcon Clokey is a good match up on Hamil, the strength is similar, the thought processes are similar! I don't think either of them will have much of an impact on the game, just each other! The onlly poroblem is if Hamil will get away from Clokey on the lead, if that happens their might have to be a reshuffle. Johnson on Milne and Lonie on whoever else plays there - doubt it'll be another tall unless Riewoldt is moved to the wing, but if it is Walker gets the job.
we've got to push for a lot of run out of defence and if they try to beat us for height, we run them around all day with lonie, johnson, Cole etc. run run run run run - simple coaching, can they pull it off?
3. stoppages. I think this will be the hardest to do without Fraser. Richards will be number one obviously, but wil have to rotate, perhaps with Kinnear (he's useful for something) as well as Rocca, but I don't want Rocca to spent much time out of the forward 50 at all, that's where he earns his money. Tarant, Didak and Nixon will hold up the rest of the forward line, should be competitive if they get delivery. again back to the midfield...
- Ben
1. The key to winning this match is the midfields, and ours is minus three of the best players in the game (buckley, Burns, Fraser) and theirs is minus one, theirs is in incredible form and ours isn't - we must go into this game like we did against the port game - win one on one contests all over the ground, grind their midifled to a halt.
Licca on Harvey - Harvey is in great form and licca needs to get 20 tackles and shut him down - a big ask but he's the right man for the job.
Woey on Jones - a defensive HFF? yes, and hopefully he can hurt him too, but Woey needs to cut Jones run out of defense. Woey needs to lift for this one.
the rest of the midfield just need to play hard accountable one on one football.
2. Their height in the forward line looks daunting on paper, but in reality it's not so bad, they never have them all down there at once. We know the key is to stop Gerig. With Presti in we would've been fine, it's a bit more of a stretch now.
Wakelin on Gerig. Wakes is up to it, play in front and play hard, hope someone can get across in front if needed. That's the key in the backline.
Clement on Riewolt is a good match up provided Clement doesn't get outmarked like last time - if that happens we're in trouble! but clement shouldb eable to do as well as any of them.
Hamil is a tough one - I rekcon Clokey is a good match up on Hamil, the strength is similar, the thought processes are similar! I don't think either of them will have much of an impact on the game, just each other! The onlly poroblem is if Hamil will get away from Clokey on the lead, if that happens their might have to be a reshuffle. Johnson on Milne and Lonie on whoever else plays there - doubt it'll be another tall unless Riewoldt is moved to the wing, but if it is Walker gets the job.
we've got to push for a lot of run out of defence and if they try to beat us for height, we run them around all day with lonie, johnson, Cole etc. run run run run run - simple coaching, can they pull it off?
3. stoppages. I think this will be the hardest to do without Fraser. Richards will be number one obviously, but wil have to rotate, perhaps with Kinnear (he's useful for something) as well as Rocca, but I don't want Rocca to spent much time out of the forward 50 at all, that's where he earns his money. Tarant, Didak and Nixon will hold up the rest of the forward line, should be competitive if they get delivery. again back to the midfield...
- Ben
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Theres is only one way we can possibly win this weekend.........Kick a higher score.....Oh if it was only that simple !!!
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Go You Pie Boys !!!
Now & Forever
Amen !!!
Now & Forever
Amen !!!
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If O'bree & McGough start in the centre square together we are in trouble, both of them have the ability to win the ball but niether of them can kick. I think McGough has been working hard on his disposal and I think it has improved which is a good sign for the future but O'Bree's disposal this season has been embarassing for a league footballer.
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At least with all the new kids around us at the moment TD won't be able to give away all our secrets !!
Midfield/backs are crucial to beat a team in top flight. If the midfield are delivering quick balls to Taz/Rocca/Dids/Leon then we are half a chance. They have proven themselves to have gone an extra step this year and we have so far fallen short. Poor disposal and mistakes must be eradicated. It is a tough ask without Presti, Fraser, Bucks, Burns but let's hope to see at least some improvement in basic skills such as not kicking into the man on the mark, hitting teammates with passes on the chest, not handpassing to your flatfooted mate next to you, leading into space and passing to the man in space, run back to take a shot at goal and not turning your back on the goals. And many other little league type basics.
Anyway good luck guys for Saturday and let's knock off these cocky 'Aints.
GO PIES !!!
Midfield/backs are crucial to beat a team in top flight. If the midfield are delivering quick balls to Taz/Rocca/Dids/Leon then we are half a chance. They have proven themselves to have gone an extra step this year and we have so far fallen short. Poor disposal and mistakes must be eradicated. It is a tough ask without Presti, Fraser, Bucks, Burns but let's hope to see at least some improvement in basic skills such as not kicking into the man on the mark, hitting teammates with passes on the chest, not handpassing to your flatfooted mate next to you, leading into space and passing to the man in space, run back to take a shot at goal and not turning your back on the goals. And many other little league type basics.
Anyway good luck guys for Saturday and let's knock off these cocky 'Aints.
GO PIES !!!
Let all your troubles be forgot for we are Collingwood. We'll fight it out until the end we're Collingwood. So help me Jock.
Two pies and two beers thanks!!
Two pies and two beers thanks!!