Post match. Pies down in thriller - all comments.
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piedys
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Dodgy umpiring?! I've just watched the hilites on Pigpond - has there been any other team this year given as a many bogus 50M penalties against them as we have for soft shit? While at the same time, the opposition does the same thing to us for NO penalty?nitric wrote:The Roos missed a lot of easy shots on goal which might have made this look a lot worse. Still, thats footy.
What is NOT footy is having the game stripped from you by dodgy umpiring. The bounce, the treatment of Fraser compared to NM players and simple things like letting them play on without without going behind their mark.
Yes, we surrended a 3 goal lead for the 2nd time this season.
Yes, both losses were umpire engineered, as the vision doesn't lie.
We are missing our key defenders through injury and retirement, which do doubt have effected those results.
Pigpond didn't show Didak's miss, but i'm guessing it was before that final arse goal they kicked? And they did kick a few ARSE goals in the 3rd & 4th quarters.
Blood boiling. 5 rounds in and umpires are single handedly responsible for 2 of our losses. They are cheats and a disgrace to the sport, in a far more pathetic way than Barry Hall is, was or ever will be.
Keep it up you green maggots.
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Our mid and forwards needs a big shape up. Our delivery from the midfield into the forward line needs improving. However, the pressure and numbers at the drop of the ball in our forward line is as equally less impressive. Can I just say to Rocca that waving your hands above your head (up high) does not constitute a lead.
All this may be summed up in one word - CHARACTER - and if that is not worth developing, nothing is.
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i think we can navel gaze about particular players all we like but the real fact is we are not running games out. This has happened all year, the last three games particularly. Mostly they are stuffed by three quarters of the way through the last quarter.
This same group of players minus Nathan Brown and Cameron Wood, got us through to a preliminary final last year and they mostly had the same skill levels they have now.
I think its a fitness issue.
A key variable this year was the team going to South Africa for altitude training rather than America. Were there differences in outcome from this or are they overtrained at the moment? I dont know but there is a consistent pattern of last quarter fade outs.
Another pattern this year that differs from last, is that there seems to be a lack of flair and risk taking in their decision making often. Bad decison making around disposal by hand and foot was obvious last night. There also seems to be less team enjoyment this year compared to last. a certain spark is missing this year.
I think we are missing Buckley and Clement more than we like to acknowledge. They were our two key leaders. Burns is good and at the same level but the other two cannot be replaced.
I don't think, apart from obvious changes like Reid for Cox, that there is not much point in swinging the axe too much with them. Better to persisit with the majority of them and play them back to some form and fitness. I did think there was some improvement last night despite the loss. Pendlebury was much better as was Clarke, and Goldsack showed his injury hasn't harmed his committment.
Also we probably need to acknowledge the quality of the opposition. North have improved rom last year and will certainly be a final eight team this year. I thought they matched us in most areas last night. At the end of the day, the only difference was that they ran the game out and we didn't....
This same group of players minus Nathan Brown and Cameron Wood, got us through to a preliminary final last year and they mostly had the same skill levels they have now.
I think its a fitness issue.
A key variable this year was the team going to South Africa for altitude training rather than America. Were there differences in outcome from this or are they overtrained at the moment? I dont know but there is a consistent pattern of last quarter fade outs.
Another pattern this year that differs from last, is that there seems to be a lack of flair and risk taking in their decision making often. Bad decison making around disposal by hand and foot was obvious last night. There also seems to be less team enjoyment this year compared to last. a certain spark is missing this year.
I think we are missing Buckley and Clement more than we like to acknowledge. They were our two key leaders. Burns is good and at the same level but the other two cannot be replaced.
I don't think, apart from obvious changes like Reid for Cox, that there is not much point in swinging the axe too much with them. Better to persisit with the majority of them and play them back to some form and fitness. I did think there was some improvement last night despite the loss. Pendlebury was much better as was Clarke, and Goldsack showed his injury hasn't harmed his committment.
Also we probably need to acknowledge the quality of the opposition. North have improved rom last year and will certainly be a final eight team this year. I thought they matched us in most areas last night. At the end of the day, the only difference was that they ran the game out and we didn't....
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I agree on Bucks and Clement, and Burns being out. There is no leadership out there.
And another thing after looking at the paper: Leon Davis had 83% effective disposal, 9 (from memory) contested possessions, 2 goals and 4 tackles, with 18 touches in total. He only had 77% time on ground, and was off when it mattered. Why? He is clearly one of the best users of the ball, he is our most dangerous player around goals, he is the best tackler in the team without Burns there, and he is fantastic in traffic and at stoppages. WHY WAS HE OFF?
And once again, Dale Thomas only 73% game time, same as last week. FFS.
I agree on Bucks and Clement, and Burns being out. There is no leadership out there.
And another thing after looking at the paper: Leon Davis had 83% effective disposal, 9 (from memory) contested possessions, 2 goals and 4 tackles, with 18 touches in total. He only had 77% time on ground, and was off when it mattered. Why? He is clearly one of the best users of the ball, he is our most dangerous player around goals, he is the best tackler in the team without Burns there, and he is fantastic in traffic and at stoppages. WHY WAS HE OFF?
And once again, Dale Thomas only 73% game time, same as last week. FFS.
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Franklin is a great player but it also helps when the delivery is spot on to himktszyu1 wrote:We can no longer even compare Cloke with Franklin. Franklin is arguably the best player in the league AT THE MOMENT, only rivalled by Ablett. He is an absolute superstar. Cloke has gone backwards, Franklin has taken 15 steps forward.
Disappointing but nothing in comparison to last week: this week they had a crack and could have (should have?) won.
Some promising signs with Pendles finding some form, and I thought Marty was looking better, too. Fraser and Medhurst were great. Dids would have been great if he slotted that one through - can't complain though, he will get them 9 times out of ten 10, and he was excellent all day. Leon and Rhyce were also good.
Some worrying signs with Mick's coaching; selection of Holland and Reid when neither had shown anything in recent weeks was baffling (and a warning to those who would promote Dawes after one good game in the VFL, 10 months ago). I will give him the benefit of the doubt with the rotations but I would be happy if he eased up a little bit.
Rocca, OB, Holland and Reid were woeful: Holland shouldn't get another gig in the ones, Reid has to start carving them up in the VFL, OB and Rocca would want to do something next week.
Some promising signs with Pendles finding some form, and I thought Marty was looking better, too. Fraser and Medhurst were great. Dids would have been great if he slotted that one through - can't complain though, he will get them 9 times out of ten 10, and he was excellent all day. Leon and Rhyce were also good.
Some worrying signs with Mick's coaching; selection of Holland and Reid when neither had shown anything in recent weeks was baffling (and a warning to those who would promote Dawes after one good game in the VFL, 10 months ago). I will give him the benefit of the doubt with the rotations but I would be happy if he eased up a little bit.
Rocca, OB, Holland and Reid were woeful: Holland shouldn't get another gig in the ones, Reid has to start carving them up in the VFL, OB and Rocca would want to do something next week.
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Better spark from our players, better at the ball, but .......
We were too clever with our rotations again. Key players off the ground at key times. Stop it!
Too clever playing too many kids. It's a man's game remember!
Dirty tactics from North, spiteful play at times.
Woeful Umpires. Reminded me of the umpiring wizardry against the Bears. That cuppa in Sth Yarra during the week worked wonders hey!
We were too clever with our rotations again. Key players off the ground at key times. Stop it!
Too clever playing too many kids. It's a man's game remember!
Dirty tactics from North, spiteful play at times.
Woeful Umpires. Reminded me of the umpiring wizardry against the Bears. That cuppa in Sth Yarra during the week worked wonders hey!
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Another gut wrenching loss.God,that was hard to watch last night.There were a few positives,i suppose-Medhurst,Didak,Pendlebury were all very good.I thought we controlled the game for about 60% of the time last night compared to 0% of the time last week-so there was a bit of improvement there.But still the same old problems keep coming back to haunt us.Slow,unskilled midfield which can't hit a target.An inability to put teams away,an inability to close teams down when they get a bit of a run on.We never seem to respond when teams kick three of four quick goals these days.Why?We definitely must look to recruiting quick midfielders who can kick properly if we are ever going to win the premiership.
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No great surprise. We certainly didnt deserve to pinch it in the last few seconds, as much as I would have liked to.
Generally players seem to be going soft - afraid to put their bodies on the line, playing like fragile dolls. Exceptions last night were Thomas and Goldsack who were bordering on reckless. Seems without Burns to get in there and show the way, we have noone willing to do the dirty work.
So inevitably the only ones at the bottom of the pack don't want to be there, so they just get the ball out anywhere, rather than to advantage, and we end up getting pumped.
Add it to a lack of desire to play close when the opposition have the ball, and put on serious pressure, we couldn't even capitalise on the hundred mistakes they made, fumbled, or dropped. Terrible.
Not sure it has much to do with any particular person, but a general lethargy. If we had won the flag last year, we would be labelled as having a premiership hangover. As it is, we're having an 'overachieved' hangover.
We'll come good over the next year or three, no doubt, but I'd rather have Carlton's midfield at the moment, as I sit and watch the Melb/Blues game, because they have the bodies, awareness, and dedication to going in for the ball, the run and carry.
Anyway, just disappointed with the teams attitude, and we can't win with 10-12 passengers.
Kudos: Fraser, Medhurst, Didak, Goldsack, Thomas, Rhyce, Davis, Wakelin.
Generally players seem to be going soft - afraid to put their bodies on the line, playing like fragile dolls. Exceptions last night were Thomas and Goldsack who were bordering on reckless. Seems without Burns to get in there and show the way, we have noone willing to do the dirty work.
So inevitably the only ones at the bottom of the pack don't want to be there, so they just get the ball out anywhere, rather than to advantage, and we end up getting pumped.
Add it to a lack of desire to play close when the opposition have the ball, and put on serious pressure, we couldn't even capitalise on the hundred mistakes they made, fumbled, or dropped. Terrible.
Not sure it has much to do with any particular person, but a general lethargy. If we had won the flag last year, we would be labelled as having a premiership hangover. As it is, we're having an 'overachieved' hangover.
We'll come good over the next year or three, no doubt, but I'd rather have Carlton's midfield at the moment, as I sit and watch the Melb/Blues game, because they have the bodies, awareness, and dedication to going in for the ball, the run and carry.
Anyway, just disappointed with the teams attitude, and we can't win with 10-12 passengers.
Kudos: Fraser, Medhurst, Didak, Goldsack, Thomas, Rhyce, Davis, Wakelin.