Lokan can play. He's hit the 2nd year wall. Big deal. He is skilled, quick enough and will fly the flag. He will play half-back when we win the flag.
McGuff's fluffs - enuff is enuff. No point getting it if you keep giving it away. Give him a game again when he can hit a target 6 times out of ten instead of 3.
O'Bree is earning his long service leave to be taken next year. Permanently.
Pre Match: COLLINGWOOD v Hawks - all comments here...
Moderator: bbmods
-
Carders
- Posts: 452
- Joined: Sun Apr 20, 2003 9:11 pm
- Location: Beaumaris, Victoria
Seriously you people quit bagging out Matty Lokan. For pick 70 whatever he was in the 2002 draft, hes done quite well. He may not have been in the best of form lately, but at least he has a go. Hes a versatile guy who can play midfield, forward or back and this aspect is what ensures he has a place. He will still be there past 2006. He is down on a bit of confidence, and im sure we'll see Matty "Crazy John" Lokan back in there soon enough.
Side By Side We Stick TOGETHER..............
-
stik35
- Posts: 2170
- Joined: Tue May 22, 2001 6:01 pm
- Location: VIC
Hopefully they will have learned their lesson from last pre season as this is exactly what happened then.sq3 wrote:I am glad C2 is having the surgery now and will be fit for pre season and this pre season hopefully he and C1 will not have contests and both overtrain themselves.
If you bleed black and white you'll never walk alone.
-
rosspies
- Posts: 309
- Joined: Tue Jun 17, 2003 4:25 pm
- Location: Brunswick
Disappointed no Mcgough, Did R.Shaw sit on the pine on the wrong angle? he has had little game time to do much else wrong. Why can we not as members get some reasoning behind the decisions made? eg teams selected. I'm sick of the only thing we hear is "horses for courses."
F$^k off mm and respect your supporters who are pulling their hair out in the stands confused about your selection process and rotation of players
F$^k off mm and respect your supporters who are pulling their hair out in the stands confused about your selection process and rotation of players
-
Cannibal
- Posts: 2434
- Joined: Mon May 10, 2004 12:44 pm
- Location: Buninyong
I've been pleased with our form over the last five games. It looks to me as if we're building up a head of steam. 3-2, both losses playing without Taz in the forward line, just a few minutes in both games when we could have done a little bit more to win but didn't.
The team looks pretty solid and, despite the very obvious downside from having a stack of players missing earlier in the year, we've built up a lot more depth. There is more competition for places and that ought to put pressure on people playing in the Seniors to perform or else they kick the dew at Willi for a few weeks.
There are a number of younger players at Willi just straining at the bit to step up - Shacks, Tex, Heath Shaw and Maxwell in particular - and a handful of others currently just a shade below the standard needed to make the jump - Mullins, Nixon, King and Brayden Shaw.
Add into that mix the guys who have been dropped this week - MCG, Shaw and Lokan - who will be desperate to impress and move straight back up, and the club is taking on more and more the look of an embryo Brisbane as the season progresses.
So, what does this indicate? There's widespread frustration among supporters at a perceived tolerance of mediocrity, but the rationale for that - inexperience - is rapidly diminishing, if not almost totally obliterated. A more critical eye is being turned on the 22 who step foot on the MCG tomorrow afternoon. For some players, patience has run out; it's "perform or else" time. The "else" being ignominous demotion and, if the side does pull a rabbit out of the hat and take off on a run to the Eight, missing a chance to play finals footy, which surely is what they all crave a chance to do.
I will not accept players who might take 3 or 4 weeks to return to full fitness after injury being returned to the Seniors immediately, either. Not unless they are Bucks or Burnsie, whose quality, fitness and attitude cannot be questioned. If Shane O'Bree can't put in a full four quarters on the ball, then I want him dropped next week, to regain fitness at Willi.
In short, there are no more excuses for anything less than a 100% fully committed, hard, tough, put your body on the line approach against Hawthorn tomorrow. If these guys seriously contemplate themselves as future Premiership players, this is the week when OUR line in the sand has to be drawn.
Hawthorn have played well against us over the past few years. However, when Tom Hafey came to Collingwood as coach in 1977, he expressed amazement at the then players' fear of the trip down the Princes Highway to Kardinia Park, saying that his Richmond sides had done it easily. So he motivated Collingwood to start winning games at Kardinia Park. And so, too, can this side start to win against Hawthorn, and start to do it as easily as those old Richmond and Collingwood sides did down in Geelong.
We need to build an aura of invincibility around ourselves, to start to believe in ourselves once more, to become convinced that we CAN win. And we can start that process tomorrow afternoon, if everyone takes the first step of saying we CAN do it.
'Pies by 5 goals.
The team looks pretty solid and, despite the very obvious downside from having a stack of players missing earlier in the year, we've built up a lot more depth. There is more competition for places and that ought to put pressure on people playing in the Seniors to perform or else they kick the dew at Willi for a few weeks.
There are a number of younger players at Willi just straining at the bit to step up - Shacks, Tex, Heath Shaw and Maxwell in particular - and a handful of others currently just a shade below the standard needed to make the jump - Mullins, Nixon, King and Brayden Shaw.
Add into that mix the guys who have been dropped this week - MCG, Shaw and Lokan - who will be desperate to impress and move straight back up, and the club is taking on more and more the look of an embryo Brisbane as the season progresses.
So, what does this indicate? There's widespread frustration among supporters at a perceived tolerance of mediocrity, but the rationale for that - inexperience - is rapidly diminishing, if not almost totally obliterated. A more critical eye is being turned on the 22 who step foot on the MCG tomorrow afternoon. For some players, patience has run out; it's "perform or else" time. The "else" being ignominous demotion and, if the side does pull a rabbit out of the hat and take off on a run to the Eight, missing a chance to play finals footy, which surely is what they all crave a chance to do.
I will not accept players who might take 3 or 4 weeks to return to full fitness after injury being returned to the Seniors immediately, either. Not unless they are Bucks or Burnsie, whose quality, fitness and attitude cannot be questioned. If Shane O'Bree can't put in a full four quarters on the ball, then I want him dropped next week, to regain fitness at Willi.
In short, there are no more excuses for anything less than a 100% fully committed, hard, tough, put your body on the line approach against Hawthorn tomorrow. If these guys seriously contemplate themselves as future Premiership players, this is the week when OUR line in the sand has to be drawn.
Hawthorn have played well against us over the past few years. However, when Tom Hafey came to Collingwood as coach in 1977, he expressed amazement at the then players' fear of the trip down the Princes Highway to Kardinia Park, saying that his Richmond sides had done it easily. So he motivated Collingwood to start winning games at Kardinia Park. And so, too, can this side start to win against Hawthorn, and start to do it as easily as those old Richmond and Collingwood sides did down in Geelong.
We need to build an aura of invincibility around ourselves, to start to believe in ourselves once more, to become convinced that we CAN win. And we can start that process tomorrow afternoon, if everyone takes the first step of saying we CAN do it.
'Pies by 5 goals.
Glory Glory Good Old Collingwood, Glory Glory Hallelujah,
Collingwood's The Greatest Team The World Has Ever Seen,
And The 'Pies Go Marching On (in Black and White Stripes Forever!).
Collingwood's The Greatest Team The World Has Ever Seen,
And The 'Pies Go Marching On (in Black and White Stripes Forever!).
-
Ah Tibor
- Posts: 412
- Joined: Sat May 08, 2004 6:35 pm
Think we have discussed the Collingwood team enough for the time being.
Hawthorn have both Barker and Holland out, who have not performed at all this year and brought in two youngsters (probably 3 if mitchell doesnt play). Nothing like youth playing well to motivate the whole team, ala richards and swan
Plus Barlow....
We will still win though - 3 goals...only because they do match up on us well
Hawthorn have both Barker and Holland out, who have not performed at all this year and brought in two youngsters (probably 3 if mitchell doesnt play). Nothing like youth playing well to motivate the whole team, ala richards and swan
Plus Barlow....
We will still win though - 3 goals...only because they do match up on us well
.....how many times you've saved my butt....
-
3rd degree
- Posts: 14200
- Joined: Tue Jun 22, 2004 12:50 pm
- Location: John Wren's tote
- Been liked: 1 time
- Contact:
-
foreigner
- Posts: 736
- Joined: Mon May 10, 2004 8:41 pm
- Location: Brisbane, QLD
Indeed. I was all sweaty palms the last few games ... maybe even the whole year along. !!!Doc63 wrote:I hope your right Tess. Its about time we're able to just sit & enjoy the game without worrying about the result.
So go get 'em pies ... thrash them to smithereens ...
Good luck to Rowe on his debut.
Pies Forever