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Pies 08 · Post by **Pies 08** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:27 pm

Burns, Goldsack and Reid all in. Toovey and Stanley omitted and Maxwell suspended. We will only ever start a game regardless of the opposition as a 50/50 chance with Toovey and or Stanley in the side. Quite simply they are not up to AFL standard. Maxwell will be suspended for trying to be tough instead of getting a kick. Brown must return to the backline to play on Thompson and Reid is the third tall forward that will stretch the Roos backline especially now Gibson is out.

DaVe86 · Post by **DaVe86** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:58 pm

Just a bit more on O'Bree.....he won more clearances than any other player on the ground yesterday.

He had 6, the next best was 4...Judd had 2.

Not bad considering it was clearly and easily the worst game he has played in around 2 years.

Clearances is a real issue at the moment. We beat Carlton 30-26, but it was obvious that Carlton's clearances were far more influential than the scrappy way we were getting it out. They looked like scoring every time they got a centre break, whereas ours were just bomb kicks forward.

You cant take out your best clearance player.

pietillidie · Post by **pietillidie** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:03 pm

From among Burnsy, Isles, Reid and maybe Coxy. Burnsy for leadership because we were like headless chooks yesterday. Isles is tough and skillful which is a rarity and by god we need it around the stoppages. Reid is needed because a two-pronged forward line has never worked for us unless our midfield dominates. And perhaps Coxy for skills and freshness but he's less important than the other three because we need discipline and structure more than flair at this stage (hence Egan not even a look in).

Zakal · Post by **Zakal** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:10 pm

DaVe86 wrote:Just a bit more on O'Bree.....he won more clearances than any other player on the ground yesterday.

He had 6, the next best was 4...Judd had 2.

Not bad considering it was clearly and easily the worst game he has played in around 2 years.

Clearances is a real issue at the moment. We beat Carlton 30-26, but it was obvious that Carlton's clearances were far more influential than the scrappy way we were getting it out. They looked like scoring every time they got a centre break, whereas ours were just bomb kicks forward.

You cant take out your best clearance player.

Exactly...how people continue to miss this is beyond me. I wasnt aware that we won the clearances, but there was a period where we were absolutley smashing them, so that probably boosted our numbers a bit.

However the more i look into this game, the more im convinced that the main culprit for our loss was forward line delivery. Bullshit long bombs to 3 on 1s, or missing the pack entirely. If you want to bomb it long to Rocca...either do it quickly so he has a chance, or do it when there is a crumber at his feet. There is no point kicking it long and high so that it lands in the space in front of him when 3 defenders have him hemmed in on all sides. Go for goal, or go for the spear pass, just dont lob it in and pray.

Johnson#26 · Post by **Johnson#26** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:13 pm

Not Egan.

You need to put in consistent efforts like Stanley has in the VFL.

Saw Maxy live, saw one replay and it looked fairly fair to me - was it that bad?

If not, Tooves unlucky, and Stanners are back to the VFL for Burnsy and Tys. Would like to see Reid in, sans Gibson and all.

Johnson#26 · Post by **Johnson#26** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:14 pm

Whattt!! I'm reading the last page of this thread, dont have the time to look over it, but are people suggesting O'Bree go? Surely not. Nothing wrong with him. Suits North, too.

HAL · Post by **HAL** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:16 pm

And for my part, I would like to show it to you, but I can't.

DaVe86 · Post by **DaVe86** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:22 pm

jonno, have another look at the Maxy incident...he is gone. Good chance for either JA to break back into the team or Goldsack if fit....or both considering Toovey should be dropped as well.

Fire Up · Post by **Fire Up** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:13 pm

burnsy is not going to play against the roos.

sq3 · Post by **sq3** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:33 pm

Burns will be back and Goldie back in as will JA.

Out will be Maxie, Stanley and Toovey.

I would like to see Wellingham, but he is still Rookie listed.

MM could throw in some wildcards though and play Dawes in defense and Reid in as well - still with Burns playing.

Fire Up · Post by **Fire Up** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:36 pm

sq3 wrote:Burns will be back and Goldie back in as will JA.

Out will be Maxie, Stanley and Toovey.

I would like to see Wellingham, but he is still Rookie listed.

MM could throw in some wildcards though and play Dawes in defense and Reid in as well - still with Burns playing.

burns not coming back untill anzac day at least

rocketronnie · Post by **rocketronnie** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:20 pm

Following from my previous opinion on Pg 2:

Since Burns is out, leave Stanley in. He needs game time to test him and get used to the faster pace of the game. You can't judge players on odd games here and there. Let's see what he can do. I bet he'll improve. However, if he has lost the confidence of the selectors , then Holland should be considered (slow though he is) Cox must come in for Maxwell. As for Lonie, well no thanks...

As for Reid, what's the use of a key forward who can take a mark but can't seem to kick longer than thirty metres? He's be as much use as a key forward who can't mark over his head like Rusling (I hope Dawes is going to be better). I haven't seen Reid since his debut games last year but I wasn't that impressed due to his abysmal kicking. If he's improved fair enough, if not, its the twos until he has.

And the reason why dominating the clearances doesnt equate to scoreboard dominance for us is that the next in line for the ball or the one who kicks it out of the centre is often a poor kick, ala R Shaw or Johnson... no wonder the forwards can't get it cleanly.

So I reckon: Out: Toovey, Maxwell, Johnson.
In: Cox, Iles, Goldsack.
Undecided: Stanley/Holland.

piedys · Post by **piedys** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:34 pm

"Superman or Spiderman or Batman could not have done any better."

Outs: Davis, Stanley, Maxwell
In: Superman, Spiderman and Batman.

They couldn't do any worse. At least you can see they have penises through their costumes.

Dyso

rowdypies · Post by **rowdypies** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:40 pm

would love to see some experience back in to sure things up...

IN: burns, holland, lonie

OUT Maxwell, toovey, stanley

but depending on matchups might need to bring goldy back in

ktszyu1 · Post by **ktszyu1** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:39 am

piedys wrote:
"Superman or Spiderman or Batman could not have done any better."
Outs: Davis, Stanley, Maxwell
In: Superman, Spiderman and Batman.

They couldn't do any worse. At least you can see they have penises through their costumes.

Dyso

Surely you're not serious about Davis, are you? I know it's a joke post, but the other two outs are plausible so I'm assuming there is a degree of seriousness. If Davis gets dropped... I'll be fuming.

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