Russian invasion of Ukraine

Post by **think positive** » Tue Feb 15, 2022 6:54 pm

Worse case scenario is terrifying

#26 · Post by **#26** » Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:23 pm

stui magpie wrote:I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if you're right on that.

I've also seen a few articles comparing the situation in the Ukraine with Taiwan and suggesting Putin and Xi are swapping notes.

I alluded to that up thread. Putin visited Xi a few weeks ago. If China and Russia are determined to take the Ukraine and Taiwan it might be strategically smart for them to both invade at the same time. Who knows? Iran might jump in too.

In Oliver Stone's documentary The untold History of the United States, he said that when the Russians and the US were signing treaties around the end of the Cold War, the US agreed not to have millitary bases in countries that shared a border with Russia and later reneged on it. People who are across this stuff better than I am might be able to confirm the validity of that claim.

Post by **stui magpie** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:32 am

For those who want to know more about Ukraine, granted from a US perspective.

https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/ ... troduction

pietillidie · Post by **pietillidie** » Thu Feb 17, 2022 9:13 pm

The layers of propaganda are astonishing. Impossible to decipher what's happening.

#26 · Post by **#26** » Fri Feb 18, 2022 9:22 am

^Spot on.

I see the US are saying that Russia may stage some sort of attack, aka false flag, to justify invading the Ukraine. The sceptic in me thinks the US could be saying that so that when they attack first and the Russians retaliate they can say "The Russians are using a false flag to justify invading the Ukraine. Just as we predicted."

doriswilgus · Post by **doriswilgus** » Sun Feb 20, 2022 6:40 pm

I think the thread title Potential conflict between Russia and Ukraine is a bit misleading.It should be more like potential Russian invasion of Ukraine.I don’t think the Ukrainians have done anything to provoke Russia(or more to the point,Putin)into invading their country.I don’t see what else they could have done to prevent this potential invasion.

Post by **stui magpie** » Sun Feb 20, 2022 8:18 pm

Putin is definitely driving this, the Ukraine isn't to blame neither is the US.

People can speculate about the reasons but it's all about power in the end.

pietillidie · Post by **pietillidie** » Sun Feb 20, 2022 8:37 pm

^Yep, it's a shakedown from a thug who knows sane people don't want war.

The question is what the response should be. David, any sense of the feeling in Ukraine now?

#26 · Post by **#26** » Mon Feb 21, 2022 9:14 am

If the Russians are just carrying out millitary drills along the border, why is Putin engaging in de-escalation talks with other leaders? Shouldn't he just say "De-escalation from what? They're just millitary drills."

Post by **stui magpie** » Mon Feb 21, 2022 9:31 am

I was reflecting before, what is it about Europe that there always seems to be some form or another of border disputes? it's been happening for centuries.

Post by **David** » Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:06 am

eddiesmith · Post by **eddiesmith** » Mon Feb 21, 2022 8:04 pm

So a war between Australia and the West will be inevitable?

Post by **stui magpie** » Mon Feb 21, 2022 8:10 pm

^

we've already done that, the emu's won.

Post by **David** » Mon Feb 21, 2022 8:18 pm

eddiesmith wrote:So a war between Australia and the West will be inevitable?

By "the West", are you referring to McGowanistan? If so, it sounds like all we'll need to do is turn up at the border and they'll run away screaming.

Post by **stui magpie** » Mon Feb 21, 2022 8:21 pm

^
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Russian invasion of Ukraine