Nick's Collingwood Bulletin Board

Johnny Five is Alive!

Come on people show some respect to ......

PMSL .... Couldn't keep a straight face for much longer.

Poor old Saints though. Twice they've been done over recruiting Essendon players by handing over first round picks.

Born to Pie wrote:I wonder how Trent Cotchin and Sam Mitchell feel?

Does make Watson's Brownlow look a tad tarnished doesn't it.

London Dave wrote:I think they can pick up top up players David

Can they? I know they were granted that leeway in the Fosters Cup last year, but allowing such a thing for the regular season would be unprecedented in the age of the draft. Have you read anything suggesting that the AFL might permit this?

AnthonyC wrote:As much as this is "justice', what does it mean for the competition is the question I'm asking. How the hell does essendon field a team? Will the AFL make new rules for this year? So many repercussions that will occur.

The AFL has already given the Essendopers permission to recruit players from the VFL competition. I do not know to what extent and if it means they can approach players contracted to other VFL/AFL teams.

I'm not surprised they were found guilty. 1 yr ban ? It could have been 2yrs so they should think themselves very lucky.
There are only 12 players currently on the dopers list and 5 or 6 others at other clubs.
Dopers and the AFL have been working on a plan for ages (I think Gill the dill realised ages ago they were shot ducks)
They can get players from state level leagues from all states and any player who isn't contracted I'm guessing. My question is how do they pay them ? Don't all clubs have to spend 95% of the cap each year so that would leave at best 5% of the cap to pay 12 players. So these 12 would be entitled to the league minimum right ? So do the maths folks they are over the cap by some distance.
Do the AFL just let this happen or ignore it or what ?
Do the AFL pay the new players and have them contracted to them ?
And this mess is just going to get worse as well expect law suits galore from the players against Dank, Hird, the club and anyone else they can line up
This I'm guessing will be the end of Watson he said a while ago if he was ever found guilty he would walk away from th game.
This mess should have been over 3yrs ago The dim sim man should have just bitten th bullet and ousted them immediately he is as much to blame as Hird and the club trying to hide behind lies and misinformation.
I do feel for the players some what really

"did you hear the news today oh boy" David Bowie. rip. essendon meh.

The Average Tourist wrote:My question is why not two years

Delays not attributable to the players. Details in decision. Some delays players fault, others not.

qldmagpie67 wrote:There are only 12 players currently on the dopers list and 5 or 6 others at other clubs.

Correct. And none of the extras are at Collingwood. Kudos to Buckley et al for not going down that road.

Full breakdown of Essendon bans

Current Essendon players:

Tom Bellchambers suspended until 13 November 2016

Travis Colyer suspended until 13 November 2016

Dyson Heppell suspended until 13 November 2016

Michael Hibberd suspended until 13 November 2016

Heath Hocking suspended until 13 November 2016

Cale Hooker suspended until 13 November 2016

Ben Howlett suspended until 13 November 2016

Michael Hurley suspended until 13 November 2016

David Myers suspended until 13 November 2016

Tayte Pears suspended until 13 November 2016

Brent Stanton suspended until 13 November 2016

Jobe Watson suspended until 21 November 2016



Former Essendon players at other clubs:

Jake Carlisle (St Kilda) suspended until 13 November 2016

Stewart Crameri (Western Bulldogs) suspended until 13 November 2016

Jake Melksham (Melbourne) suspended until 13 November 2016

Angus Monfries (Port Adelaide) suspended until 13 November 2016

Patrick Ryder (Port Adelaide) suspended until 13 November 2016



Former Essendon players no longer in the AFL:

Alex Browne suspended until 13 November 2016

Alwyn Davey suspended until 15 February 2017

Luke Davis suspended until 13 November 2016

Cory Dell'Olio suspended until 14 November 2016

Ricky Dyson suspended until 13 November 2016

Dustin Fletcher suspended until 21 November 2016

Scott Gumbleton suspended until 13 November 2016

Kyle Hardingham suspended until 13 November 2016

David Hille suspended until 13 November 2016

Leroy Jetta suspended until 15 February 2017

Brendan Lee suspended until 13 November 2016

Sam Lonergan suspended until 13 November 2016

Nathan Lovett-Murray suspended until 15 December 2016

Mark McVeigh suspended until 13 November 2016

Brent Prismall suspended until 13 November 2016

Henry Slattery suspended until 13 November 2016

Ariel Steinberg suspended until 13 November 2016

qldmagpie67 wrote:I'm not surprised they were found guilty. 1 yr ban ? It could have been 2yrs so they should think themselves very lucky.
There are only 12 players currently on the dopers list and 5 or 6 others at other clubs.
Dopers and the AFL have been working on a plan for ages (I think Gill the dill realised ages ago they were shot ducks)
They can get players from state level leagues from all states and any player who isn't contracted I'm guessing. My question is how do they pay them ? Don't all clubs have to spend 95% of the cap each year so that would leave at best 5% of the cap to pay 12 players. So these 12 would be entitled to the league minimum right ? So do the maths folks they are over the cap by some distance.
Do the AFL just let this happen or ignore it or what ?
Do the AFL pay the new players and have them contracted to them ?
And this mess is just going to get worse as well expect law suits galore from the players against Dank, Hird, the club and anyone else they can line up
This I'm guessing will be the end of Watson he said a while ago if he was ever found guilty he would walk away from th game.
This mess should have been over 3yrs ago The dim sim man should have just bitten th bullet and ousted them immediately he is as much to blame as Hird and the club trying to hide behind lies and misinformation.
I do feel for the players some what really

My understanding is that, because they've been found guilty of doping, the banned players cannot be paid while they're suspended. That should free up plenty of space in Essendon's salary cap for top-up players.

A quick reading of the decision:

- players criticised for not disclosing on ASADA forms when tested
- players criticised for group decision re secrecy of program
- CAS (2 members at least) prepared to draw inferences from intent and facts in reaching comfortable satisfaction threshold - eg wanted TB4, ordered TB4, TB4 has the effect being sought and Thymosin Alpha doesn't, therefore what was administered was TB4 and not Thymosin Alpha. This to me seems to be the main difference between CAS and AFL tribunal. There was some new evidence about the manufacture of TB4 and testing, but not clear to me that any of that was crucial.

Q for the masses: Will Bulldogs be impacted much not having Crameri and Prismall?

Member 7167 wrote:

AnthonyC wrote:As much as this is "justice', what does it mean for the competition is the question I'm asking. How the hell does essendon field a team? Will the AFL make new rules for this year? So many repercussions that will occur.

The AFL has already given the Essendopers permission to recruit players from the VFL competition. I do not know to what extent and if it means they can approach players contracted to other VFL/AFL teams.

explains why my daughter ^&*^*% ex has been training with them for 8 months, when he is a basketballer. 6 foot 4 jerkoff! fit right in! they knew it was coming,

and its much deserved, now for Charlie

From one sewer to another Mr. Goddard