The "Official Nick's BB" Trump Impeachment thread!

watt price tully · Post by **watt price tully** » Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:26 pm

Evangelical church (quite rightly) supports impeachment

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... mpeachment

Post by **stui magpie** » Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:50 pm

watt price tully wrote:The Guardian (quite typically) supports impeachment

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... mpeachment

They'd have teams dedicated to linking Trump to climate change

Post by **Pies4shaw** » Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:53 pm

On the staff of “Christianity Today”?

Post by **stui magpie** » Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:00 pm

2 of the staff in this vid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pzs0aGu1fU

pietillidie · Post by **pietillidie** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 2:18 am

watt price tully wrote:Evangelical church (quite rightly) supports impeachment

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... mpeachment

It's always been unsavoury to see Christians adoring Trump, contrary to their own professed values and beliefs. Religious hypocrisy is nothing new, but Trump idolatry takes it to new heights.

I know many devout Christians who shudder at the fact that Trump is such a slime bag and con man. They have my sympathy, but it's well beyond time for the church to speak out.

Wokko · Post by **Wokko** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:19 pm

watt price tully wrote:Evangelical church (quite rightly) supports impeachment

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... mpeachment

Nothing quite as cringey as atheist left progressives cheering on a group of Evangelical Christians.

FWIW:

https://disrn.com/news/franklin-graham- ... -for-trump

Post by **David** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:48 pm

Love the damning reverse logic here:

Franklin Graham wrote: I know a number of Republicans in Congress, and many of them are strong Christians. If the President were guilty of what the Democrats claimed, these Republicans would have joined with the Democrats to impeach him.

It’s almost as if partisanship completely trumps commitment to rule of law or religious values.

Wokko · Post by **Wokko** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:58 pm

It's true on both sides, apart from a couple of Dems who are in deep red states or areas the rest fell into line. This was despite reports of many of them being against the impeachment.

You'll see the same in the Senate. Some Dems like Sinema will vote Not Guilty because she's in Arizona.

pietillidie · Post by **pietillidie** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:08 pm

^To clarify, Wokko, are you ascribing atheism to me and implying that I oppose Christianity or even evangelical Christianity?

Wokko · Post by **Wokko** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:44 pm

pietillidie wrote:^To clarify, Wokko, are you ascribing atheism to me and implying that I oppose Christianity or even evangelical Christianity?

Not making personal judgements on Nick's posters, just referring to the "journalists" at The Guardian and the various social media whackos that suddenly decided that the opinions of an evangelical Christian magazine were relevant.

Post by **David** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 10:55 pm

I mean, it kind of is, in the sense that it indicates dissension in one of Trump’s core support demographics. But the news story is kind of opportunistic and of far less significance than they would like us to think, because we know that his voting bloc remains strongly behind him.

Wokko · Post by **Wokko** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 11:39 pm

From what I've seen that magazine doesn't represent that demographic, more a liberal church offshoot - hence the founder of the magazine's son denouncing them.

pietillidie · Post by **pietillidie** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 11:46 pm

Wokko wrote:
pietillidie wrote:^To clarify, Wokko, are you ascribing atheism to me and implying that I oppose Christianity or even evangelical Christianity?
Not making personal judgements on Nick's posters, just referring to the "journalists" at The Guardian and the various social media whackos that suddenly decided that the opinions of an evangelical Christian magazine were relevant.

Okay, cool. I don't have a problem with religion and never have. My beef is with authoritarianism and fundamentalism, which of course can be religious or otherwise.

But we also need to talk about flagrant hypocrisy. Not run-of-the-mill hypocrisy, which involves people failing to meet ideals, but the ongoing unapologetic contradiction of one's own clearly telegraphed explicit views.

As David mentions, this is newsworthy in the sense that it's a break from the overwhelming uncritical support of Trump by evangelicals. But it's far more important in institutional Christian circles in the US than David seems to think.

Post by **David** » Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:29 pm

This is the most tedious thing I've ever read. How are people enthralled by this?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... ments.html

Wokko · Post by **Wokko** » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:16 am

Paywall, but yeah, I don't really care.

There are no high crimes and misdemeanors. He'll be acquitted. Maybe 2 Republicans who hate him will vote guilty (Romney being one) and a few Dems in Red States (like Sinema) will vote not guilty.

Will otherwise be a party line vote.

This is an unofficial Bulletin Board - owned and run by its users. We welcome all fans of the Mighty Collingwood Football Club.

The "Official Nick's BB" Trump Impeachment thread!