Israeli–Palestinian conflict

[Magpietothemax]

Demonstrations in Israel demanding the resignation of Netahanyu for the catastrophic security breach which allowed the Hamas incursion, and the fact that his policy of genocide not only does nothing to secure the liberation of the hostages held by Hamas, but only endangers their lives immeasurably. Already, some of the hostages have died as a result of the Israeli bombardment.
The mass protests against Netahanyu when he tried to carry out his judicial coup, and the divisions in Israeli society, have not gone away.
The Netahanyu government does not represent the Jewish people: on the contrary, it reepresents a section of the Israeli capitalist class close and aligned with Trump in the US.
I was at the rally today in Melbourne. It was massive - the biggest yet. There were many Jewish demonstrators with placards : "Not in my name, Netahanyu. Freedom for Palestine!"
No mention of this rally in any of the msm. They are pretending that the opposition to their pro US/Israeli propaganda does not exist.

[Kingsofclutch]

Who would have thought war would be messy.

[slangman]

I certainly don’t claim that the people of Gaza are of less importance and would never ever do so. I just don’t see an outpouring of sympathy and grief for the victims of the medieval terrorists as i do the victims of the IDF.
It didn’t take long for the excuses and claims of propaganda by the Israelis to rear their head.
David, you are one who has been more balanced than quite a few others here who after the initial attack by Hamas began to express their view that nearly every claim made by Israel was just propaganda whilst taking any claim by Hamas/Gaza authorities as the truth.

You only need to go back a couple of weeks to the mocking and disputing of the Israeli claims of beheadings by Hamas by a few on here to understand my frustration at the partisan position taken by some.

Israel's response is equivalent to do me wrong and I'll kill you and your family.

No one is disputing that Hamas started this with awful atrocities, but Israel's response is barbaric and, well, as has been suggested, equivalent to war crimes.

You are naively attaching proportional response to war.
Should Israel have stopped their bombing once the casualty rate was equivalent to the murders committed by Hamas?

What planet are you living on??

To use an analogy as you did, do you think that if Mike Tyson knocked you into next year because you spat in his face unexpectedly would be unreasonable?

[stui magpie]

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It wouldn't be unreasonable, but if he then proceeded to kick the shit out of your unconscious body, then it would be and that's about where I think Israel is right now.

[slangman]

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It wouldn't be unreasonable, but if he then proceeded to kick the shit out of your unconscious body, then it would be and that's about where I think Israel is right now.

Well the question then is Hamas unconscious?

[Kingsofclutch]

It wouldn't be unreasonable, but if he then proceeded to kick the shit out of your unconscious body, then it would be and that's about where I think Israel is right now.

Unless kicking the unconscious body is really aimed at the conscious bodies waiting their turn, it's not like you can say this is a one off and won't happen again so let's ease up on the terrorists, it's been happening forever and it's just survival at this stage, so you can forget sermons and morals, the dead can't afford them.

[stui magpie]

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It wouldn't be unreasonable, but if he then proceeded to kick the shit out of your unconscious body, then it would be and that's about where I think Israel is right now.

Well the question then is Hamas unconscious?

The people in Gaza are as defenceless as an unconscious person.

Look, just saying that the initial response wasn't inappropriate but it's well and truly reached the point now where it's OTT.

[David]

[Pies4shaw]

^ There's also no small-scale real-world scenario where it would be genlcide, which is what it is, here. Israel's position is utterly indefensible in international law, and plainly the most appalling criminal act possible for a State actor. It'd be nice if people would get their heads around that. It doesn't really matter who supports or opposes them - that's just "diplomacy" and doesn't make Israel's stance any less criminal.

[think positive]

ive managed to miss the news for a few days, is the murdering still happening?

[David]

Yep. Has passed 10,000 now.

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/103072006

[slangman]

Anti-semitism is back….but did it really ever go away??

[stui magpie]

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No it hasn't. Those Pro Palestine protestors chanting "from the river to the Sea" likely don't realise what they're chanting, but they're advocating to wipe out Israel.

[Magpietothemax]

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No it hasn't. Those Pro Palestine protestors chanting "from the river to the Sea" likely don't realise what they're chanting, but they're advocating to wipe out Israel.

Anti-semitism is back….but did it really ever go away??

Anti-semitism is definteky back - and yes, never disappeared- , but it is not where you and Slangman think it is.

Governments, Zionist organisatins are all promoting the sickening lie that the pro-Palestine protests are "anti-Semitic". This is a disgusting slander. The protests are not anti-Semitic, they are opposed to the genocidal and apartheid policies of the Israeli government. The European and Australian governments all agree with the annihilation of the Palestinian people, and are backing the line of the US government. Like thieves at a picnic, they are all hoping to profit from a new colonial domination of the middle east. The albanese government backs the genocide and ethnic cleansing in Gaza, refusing to call for a ceasefire, because it represents the interests of Australian capitalism, which stakes its future on its slavish alliance with Washington.

The Albanese government, the Macron government, the governments in Britain and in the US are all moving to try to ban these protests using the foul lie that they are anti-Semitic.

But the real anti-Semitism is to be found not among the masses of protestors, but in the ruling circles themselves.
The Canadian parliament stood to applaud a Ukrainian WW2 fascist who was a member of a Ukrainian SS division organised by the Nazis.
The US and NATO governments are training and arming neofascist and virulently anti-Semitic Neo Nazis in Ukraine as part of the war against Russia.
Finally, the claim that the Netahanyu is the representative of the Jewish people, made by all Western governments, the msm, and the members of Nethahanyu's governement itself, is a massive anti-Semitic lie. What better way to encourage anti-Semitism than to publicly claim that this fascistic govermnent of criminals currently carrying out genocide and discussing the use of nuclear weapons against the Palestinians, somehow represents the Jewish people?

Historically, anti-Semitism has abeen used by capitalist governments to divide the working class and to mobilise desperate, impoverished middle class layers against the working class. It still has the same function today. But it now has assumed an extra dimension: it is being used by NATO, US and Australian governments, as a pretext to attack basic democratic rights such as the right to protest.

[Magpietothemax]

On Thursday, as he was leaving for a campaign event in Illinois, US President Joe Biden again categorically reiterated his opposition to a ceasefire in Israel’s genocide in Gaza. Asked, “What are the prospects of a Gaza ceasefire?” Biden replied, “None. No possibility.”

Biden’s comments made clear that the United States is actively instigating Israel’s genocide in Gaza and working to inflame a wider war in the Middle East. They came just two days after White House National Security spokesman John Kirby stated again that the United States has no “red lines” on the number of civilian casualties it will accept.

Biden’s remarks sparked worldwide outrage, with clips of his statement viewed or shared by millions of people on all social media platforms. He was met in Chicago by thousands of people demonstrating against US support for Israel’s genocide in Gaza. The crowd chanted, “Genocide Joe” and “Biden, Biden, you can’t hide, we charge you with genocide.”


Before Biden left for Chicago, he was asked whether Israel’s “retaliatory airstrikes” were working, he replied, “Yes,” adding, “they’re hitting the targets they’re seeking.”

Three hours after Biden made this last comment, the IDF bombed three hospitals. One of these hospitals was bombed with an "experimental"missile, which had no explosives but instead had slashing blades designed to dissect human bodies and amputate limbs - and yes, decapitate individuals, babies included.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/1 ... g-n10.html