Tugga's Replacement

[commonwombat]

Not sure that Lehmann would be stone cold cert to automatically return. His intl record is certainly repectable but not overwhelming. He would, to my mind, have to prove his full fitness and form but he would obviously have to be seriously considered by the selectors.

Katich has been able to steal a jump on some of the others and let's see what he does with it. Love will, I fear, be destined to be a Mr Fix-it over the next season or so pending continued form. By this I mean that he will get matches here and there due to injuries but despite performing well being liable to miss out upon return of the regular incumbent.

I agree with Donny's point about Clarke and D .Hussey. Clarke's talent is patently obvious but has yet to sustain consistent performance. He should not be rushed in but he does have the eye of selectors and a media push behind him so he may be the golden child. David Hussey, it really is early days and he would legitimately be behind other contenders, an A appearance is more down his line in the nearer future.

To those Vics claiming discrimination, apart from Warne returning you frankly are short of front-line contenders for the short term vacancies. Elliott is certainly good enough but will prob miss out on any opening vacancies due to age; Hodge is behind others for middle order spots and has not made anything of A team opportunities he has been given and Hussey has been discussed above.

Inness may be a shot down the track for a pace berth but will have to be back on the field performing. The brightest hope that I see is Cameron White overtaking McGill in the spin pecking order and becoming replacement for Warne pending his retirement or further personal disturbances. White's allround ability may see a ODI debut in the near future but hope media and public comparisons to Warne don't destroy him.

[JLC]

Well they must be doing something right as they are on top of the Pura Cup table.

jlc

[Newelly]

Here is his track record and not nearly as poor as you propose

Tests: 15
Runs: 995
HS: 177
Avg: 49.75
100's: 3
50's: 4

[JLC]

Who were the 100's scored against......lmao

Lets see an average against each team

jlc

[JLC]

Wow Lehmann averages 143 against Bangladesh.

overall 15 995 177 49.75 3 4 7 3/61 25.71 0 8 0

v Bangladesh 2 287 177 143.50 2 0 0 - - 0 0 0
v England 5 146 42 20.85 0 0 0 - - 0 2 0
v India 1 52 52 52.00 0 1 1 1/27 27.00 0 2 0
v Pakistan 2 127 98 42.33 0 1 1 1/6 18.00 0 1 0
v West Indies 4 353 160 58.83 1 2 2 1/6 28.00 0 2 0
v Zimbabwe 1 30 30 30.00 0 0 3 3/61 21.33 0 1 0

Those statistics are hardly anything to write home about. The West Indies bowling attack is pretty weak atm as well. How deceptive stats can be. Im sure Steve Waugh or Border dont average as much agaist the Windies but they faced the likes of Ambrose and Marshall etc.

jlc

[Newelly]

JLC his stats against Pakistan is quite good as well. He hasn't played against RSA which probably have the next best attack along with NZ. I see most of his averages against those teams are above 40 bar England and Zimbabwe (which can be discounted). You are right though the national selectors should consult your astute eye for talent before finaling the team. It's obvious you are objective and unbiased in your assessment of first 11's abilities....

[JLC]

Lehmann is an outstanding shield cricketer but is a bit short of test standard. Luckily he hasnt faced Sth Africa as Ntini and Pollock would sort him out quick smart as high quality fast bowling is his weakness.

Last year was his perfect chance. A home series against England which had a pretty ordinary depleted attack. He wasted his big chance to show what qualities he had.

jlc

[Fradam]

Well Martin Love has to come in for Steve Waugh. Love should be playing now instead of Katich. I'd like to see Katich oout and Clarke come in. If its not Clarke then Hodge. Damien Martyn is on thin ice too I reckon

Lehman is too old. forget him.

[JLC]

Martyn seems to escape a lot of scrutiny as Ponting and Hayden have been exceptional but i think its time Martyn pulled his weight at number four. However he is lucky that Steve Waugh is departing and the heat is also on Katich and that the Aussies have been winning.

I think Clarke is the best LONG TERM prospect and could be eased in at number 6 and be given time to settle and then he can progress up the order.

We dont want to be a dads army like how England used to be and not bring the youth through.

The bowling stocks are a bit of a worry as Gillespie is the only one who has stood up. Lee and Co are not ready to take over the mantle.

jlc

[Donny]

Katich is safe and will really blossom as a middle order batsman, settling in at 4 or 5 over the next couple of years as Martyn and/or Lehmann move on.

Clarke will more than likely take #6 but not for a while. Just not ready. In the meantime, Love should get a few more Tests as he has the runs on the board ahead of Brad Hodge.

[JLC]

Why is Katich safe at this stage. To be safe in the Australian test team you would want to be scoring runs and be able to field.

Hopefully the NSW era is over.

jlc

[Donny]

[JLC]

See all it takes is a move to NSW.

jlc

[Fradam]

I agree. Brad Hodge and Matthew Innes if you want to play for Australia then cross the border, blokes with less ability are robbing you of a baggy green.

[commonwombat]

Bloody hell, I have beleived for a long time that Americans are the most parochial and provincial people on this planet but some of you Victorians DO have me wondering. JLC, you are really bringing true meaning to the term "one track record".

There doesn't appear to currently be a Western Australian based selector on the panel yet WA players seem to be able to make the team and be in the frame for A sides.

Where are these "inferior" players, Fradam?? Please name them. Bracken is to my mind and others nothing special. He has had the advantage of LOI exposure where he hasn't set the world on fire but neither has he crashed and burned. Inness DOES look very promising and MAYBE he will be a better prospect than Bracken but he does have to be on the track performing to press his case.

I do respect the case re Inness but Bradley Hodge, puhleeze folks.

1. He cannot be claimed to be a young prospect. He is of similar vintage to most of the other contenders and considerably older than Clarke.

2. His career stats read respectably but not spectacularly with some consistant ones mixed with some disappointing ones. This season is probably the first where he realistically been within reach of the Test side.

3. He has been given A team opportunities, this season and previously but whilst others have used these matches to advance their cause, yr beloved Bradley has failed to do so.

4. Other contenders such as Katich, Love and Lehmann do have at least respectable intl form to their name. Katich may have been a lineball call but he fitted the relative vacancy (middle order who can roll over some spin ala Boof) and he has justified his selection.

If a Victorian warrants selection, then he will be selected end of story. Warney will be back pending fitness, they obviously have Cameron White in mind as his shadow and are proceding along such lines. Frankly are there any Vics that are crying out "select me"??

Hodge has had his best season but is honestly a couple down the queue, and any others that some of you have nominated are more prospects than performance at this stage. Gentleman, can you realistically make a case for desperate selction gambles at the current time??