Post Match. Pies cop a Hawk hiding - all comments

[Big T]

The only KPP in the top few we have taken is Fraser and he has never reached his potential, that is hurting us badly now.

Reid and Brown are both kpps and were taken first round. Anthony and Dawes were also relatively early and will probably play kp. Come back in three years when they've been in the system as long as Franklin and Roughhead. To say the Hawks have been a shambles off-field is also wrong. They've been strong as an administration for a long time.

The Hawks spent three years in the shit on-field and reaped the rewards in terms of early draft picks. We're going through the same process, and once we have the same number of games in our early picks we'll reap the same rewards. It's not rocket science.

What I meant to say was the top 3-5 draft picks, not first round in general. I really can't see us developing key forwards to the same level as Franklin and Roughhead at the same time. I think pure and simple the Hawks have everything to look forward to now and they know it, they knew that from day 1 with those boys. Our key forwards, sorry I cannot say that we would be as confident.

Do you think any of our KPP will reap the same rewards after X number of games as those boys? I hope you are right. Personally I reckon we would need a rocket scientist to turn any of those guys into Franklin or Roughhead. Nothing against our boys, just my belief.

My dig at the off field issue is every year its about record memberships, record profits. Gets a bit much after a while.

[dids_04]

The only KPP in the top few we have taken is Fraser and he has never reached his potential, that is hurting us badly now.

Reid and Brown are both kpps and were taken first round. Anthony and Dawes were also relatively early and will probably play kp. Come back in three years when they've been in the system as long as Franklin and Roughhead. To say the Hawks have been a shambles off-field is also wrong. They've been strong as an administration for a long time.

The Hawks spent three years in the shit on-field and reaped the rewards in terms of early draft picks. We're going through the same process, and once we have the same number of games in our early picks we'll reap the same rewards. It's not rocket science.

What I meant to say was the top 3-5 draft picks, not first round in general. I really can't see us developing key forwards to the same level as Franklin and Roughhead at the same time. I think pure and simple the Hawks have everything to look forward to now and they know it, they knew that from day 1 with those boys. Our key forwards, sorry I cannot say that we would be as confident.

Do you think any of our KPP will reap the same rewards after X number of games as those boys? I hope you are right. Personally I reckon we would need a rocket scientist to turn any of those guys into Franklin or Roughhead. Nothing against our boys, just my belief.

I think your spot on. Everyone seems to talk up Cloke but he does very little when the pressure is on and he is not half the footballer Roughead is currently, let alone Buddy Franklin......

Sean Rusling is the one with major potential but his injuries make it less and less likely he will ever fulfill that.

[choppa]

The only KPP in the top few we have taken is Fraser and he has never reached his potential, that is hurting us badly now.

Reid and Brown are both kpps and were taken first round. Anthony and Dawes were also relatively early and will probably play kp. Come back in three years when they've been in the system as long as Franklin and Roughhead. To say the Hawks have been a shambles off-field is also wrong. They've been strong as an administration for a long time.

The Hawks spent three years in the shit on-field and reaped the rewards in terms of early draft picks. We're going through the same process, and once we have the same number of games in our early picks we'll reap the same rewards. It's not rocket science.

What I meant to say was the top 3-5 draft picks, not first round in general. I really can't see us developing key forwards to the same level as Franklin and Roughhead at the same time. I think pure and simple the Hawks have everything to look forward to now and they know it, they knew that from day 1 with those boys. Our key forwards, sorry I cannot say that we would be as confident.

Do you think any of our KPP will reap the same rewards after X number of games as those boys? I hope you are right. Personally I reckon we would need a rocket scientist to turn any of those guys into Franklin or Roughhead. Nothing against our boys, just my belief.

I think your spot on. Everyone seems to talk up Cloke but he does very little when the pressure is on and he is not half the footballer Roughead is currently, let alone Buddy Franklin......

Sean Rusling is the one with major potential but his injuries make it less and less likely he will ever fulfill that.

AGREE AGREE AGREE

cloke best is 5 goals,

buddy has averaged 9 shots on goal this year

FFS

rusling is a gun we need him but think he is over

all we r bout is RECORDS
memberships never bought one NEVER WILL.....* crowd records and memberships

i wanta damn premiership while im fuking alive!!!!!
next 10 years unlikely........LAME

damn freo, GOLD COAST, WEST SYDNEY are gonna get one b4 us

[Kingswood]

^mate, Cloke proved in last years final series that he can be counted when the pressure is one

he is just having a slow start to the season. just like thomas is, and clarke is and a few others

we are better than todays performance guys

i hope MM figure out whats not working pretty quickly and fixes it

[punkologist]

couldn't be bothered reading 8 pages of negative tripe.


I'll just put my 2 cents in.

I think the boys really did try yesterday. The Dawks were just better skilled and better organised. We were outclassed. I thought after the 1st qtr that we would get slaughtered but they kept in touch until the last when I think they ran out of steam (which is a worrying trend).

We need to learn to take the arms when we tackle. So many times we lay a great tackle only to see the player handball to a teammate on the run.

[HAL]

I've been waiting for you. ""? he or she'll put his or her 2 cents in?

[loki04]

couldn't be bothered reading 8 pages of negative tripe.


I'll just put my 2 cents in.

I think the boys really did try yesterday. The Dawks were just better skilled and better organised. We were outclassed. I thought after the 1st qtr that we would get slaughtered but they kept in touch until the last when I think they ran out of steam (which is a worrying trend).

We need to learn to take the arms when we tackle. So many times we lay a great tackle only to see the player handball to a teammate on the run.

they werent just breaking the tackles they were even standing up off the ground in them , we are physically weaker than most top sides have been for years.

[magpie57]

Beaten by a very good side who have one of the most balanced teams that you would ever see.as well as being very physically strong.

Whilst I still feel that we are a good side, it just goes to show what is required if a team is going to be a serious finals contender.


We did miss Rocca yesterday, but that forward line of Hawthorn, that is what dreams are made of.

As an aside, can anyone tell me of another young player who has had such a baptism of fire as has young Brownie-since his very first game he has played on the very best there is and should be very proud of himself. He has had to shoulder enormous responsibility- I hope we don't burn him out too early, he is going to be a fabulous player if he is not allready.

Go the pies

[Culprit]

Back to the drawing board, flags are not won in April,May. Focus shifts to next week and good teams bounce back.

[loki04]

Back to the drawing board, flags are not won in April,May. Focus shifts to next week and good teams bounce back.

Yes but good teams don't have to bounce back every 2nd week.

[Culprit]

Back to the drawing board, flags are not won in April,May. Focus shifts to next week and good teams bounce back.

Yes but good teams don't have to bounce back every 2nd week.

Hawks look good, we don't but it is May. Need to win 4 of the next 6 games to stay in the race.

[westernpie]

The Hawks are the real deal,and on current form should stream roll over all the other clubs.(Cats included).
We havent improved on 07,while to many clubs have hit their straps and are going forward this year.Until we fix our midfield we will probaby do a Richmond and finish 9th for the next 3 years.

[rand corp]

Forward line didn't fire a shot

Undermanned, overwhelmed and ultimately destroyed in the back line

Midfield and on ballers were an embarrassment, comprehensively out played, out run, out muscled

A absolute hiding

About the only positive you could even consider mentioning is, that it was surprising we remained so close for such a lengthy period of the game in the middle quarters, particularly with so many players getting well beaten

With no Presti and Wakes as brave as usual but the body looking all but gone, we are a KP defender down and relying on a promising but inexperienced kid to fill the other slot. (Brown has done well but got F#$% all support yesterday and was ultimately another smashed up Buddy scalp.)
Bring in Jack and play the kid.
Harry, Maxy, Goldy are all starting to look merely good, honest triers who need a bit more quality around them. Now the question must be asked: can they all play in the one back line?

With no Rocca we seriously need another tall option forward, but then again, with our delivery into the forward line it hardly matters.
Zero pressure on locking the ball into the forward which kills.
Daisy needs to stop trying to do the 'special', take the first option and get the job done, needs to be given time up the ground and on the ball, sadly out of form at the moment to the point where a week in the two's mightn't hurt.
Maxy and Goldy are not the answer in th forward line.

Cheesy, Rhycey, Roids: when will the hierarchy work out that in the big games -when the pressure is on, when its last man standing- you have fumbled and missed targets in these situations for years and it ain't going to change.

Cook, WTF, I seriously think this kid will get the chop at year's end, write that down, (would need a massive change of form and fortune to save him). How could we bring him in instead of a kid who last week showed a preparedness and ability to at least occasionally put himself inside and get his own ball. Bring the kid Wellingham back in and play him.

Give Cox a run FFS! Can play across half back or across the midfield.

Boy I hope the kid McCarthy has an absolute blinder of a game against Geelong in the ressies, because we are really, really struggling for answers, for skill, for pace, for anything in the mid field.


Demoralizing loss, after last year's heroics the Pies look a long way off a flag at the moment.

[roar]

Doesn't hurt so much because the carlton game brought me back to reality.

We are some way behind Geelong and Hawthorn but due to an appaling drafting period, we are also younger. We need our younger crop to continue developing and we must continue to phase out the NQR players (and stop drafting players with poor skills!) by playing the likes of Wellingham, Cox, Anthony.

My concern is that we still think it's ok to draft players that can't kick well.

[Dave The Man]

Cook, WTF, I seriously think this kid will get the chop at year's end, write that down, (would need a massive change of form and fortune to save him). How could we bring him in instead of a kid who last week showed a preparedness and ability to at least occasionally put himself inside and get his own ball. Bring the kid Wellingham back in and play him.

Give Cox a run FFS! Can play across half back or across the midfield.

Boy I hope the kid McCarthy has an absolute blinder of a game against Geelong in the ressies, because we are really, really struggling for answers, for skill, for pace, for anything in the mid field.

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I Agree When I heard Bloody MM brought in Cook and Not Sharrod I thought we where in Trouble.

These are some of the Reason why we need a New Coach and get rid of MM