Stevie Waugh Au Revoir????

Post by **Donny** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 9:43 am

The only story I found in World Cup figures is good players all seem to do better than their overall career records.

Alan Lamb, Martin Crowe, Aravinda deSilva, Mike Gatting, David Gower, Kapil Dev, Viv Richards, Sachin Tendulkar, Rahul Dravid, Salim Malik and Mark Waugh all have better strike rates than Steve. Once again, bear in mind they all (except Dev) batted higher in the order than Steve.

Wasim Raja, David Boon, Richards, Mark Waugh, Glen Turner, Tendulkar and deSilva all have more centuries than Steve's 1 in 33 matches.

Gower, Saeed Anwar, Tendulkar, Lamb, Dravid, Raja, Crowe, Richards, Mark Waugh, Boon, Zaheer Abbas, and Turner all have higher averages than Steve.

What sort of selection criteria would it be to select someone because he did well in the last WC? That was 3 years ago!

We could argue stats ad nauseum but it's Steve's recent form (last 15-20 innings) that has him out of the one-day team and a batting average in the low thirties (over last 12 months) that is causing warranted speculation about his place in the Test team.

Donny.

GO THE MIGHTY WOODSMEN !! ALL THE WAY IN 2003 AND BEYOND !!!!

JLC · Post by **JLC** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 9:49 am

You didnt compare him with the players i mentioned ?? Compare his form to the players in the current team.

jlc

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2001 runners up
2002 fifth
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JLC · Post by **JLC** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 9:51 am

batting ratings for performances in ODI World Cup Matches

ratings calculated by computer program Cricket Statistics for Windows

1

SR Waugh
Aus

707

2

SR Tendulkar
Ind

703

3

A Ranatunga
SL

651

4

ME Waugh
Aus

650

5

Saeed Anwar
Pak

611

6

RS Dravid
Ind

607

7

RT Ponting
Aus

591

8

M Azharuddin
Ind

590

9

BC Lara
WI

578

10

RD Jacobs
WI

540

11

NC Johnson
Zim

529

12

PA de Silva
SL

518

13

RG Twose
NZ

517

14

L Klusener
SAf

516

15

GP Thorpe
Eng

507

data includes Match 1941 which began on 25th January 2003

Essendon 2000 premiers
2001 runners up
2002 fifth
2003 ????
The slide continues

JLC · Post by **JLC** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 9:52 am

bowling ratings for performances in ODI World Cup Matches

ratings calculated by computer program Cricket Statistics for Windows

1

SK Warne
Aus

770

2

CEL Ambrose
WI

758

3

Wasim Akram
Pak

755

4

AA Donald
SAf

744

5

CA Walsh
WI

702

6

A Kumble
Ind

661

7

GI Allott
NZ

644

8

J Srinath
Ind

642

9

GD McGrath
Aus

621

10

DW Fleming
Aus

580

11

CZ Harris
NZ

569

12

GR Larsen
NZ

539

13

BKV Prasad
Ind

483

14

L Klusener
SAf

468

15

M Muralitharan
SL

460

data includes Match 1941 which began on 25th January 2003

Essendon 2000 premiers
2001 runners up
2002 fifth
2003 ????
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JLC · Post by **JLC** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 9:54 am

Those statistics show Steve Waugh to be the best. The website is
http://www.cricketworld.com.au/odiwcup.htm

jlc

Essendon 2000 premiers
2001 runners up
2002 fifth
2003 ????
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Post by **Donny** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 9:57 am

You're a hard man to please, m8. You clearly said: "Please show me Steve Waughs record in the World Cup. I think that will tell a different story"

As for the players you mentioned, only Maher and Lehmann can be compared as the others are all-rounders and didn't take a spot from Steve.

Those two batsmen both have much better recent form.

Donny.

GO THE MIGHTY WOODSMEN !! ALL THE WAY IN 2003 AND BEYOND !!!!

JLC · Post by **JLC** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 10:14 am

How is Symonds an all rounder ?? He very rarely bowls......probably as often as Steve Waugh

He isnt out in the middle long enough to call him a batsman.

Mahers record isnt exactly brilliant

jlc

Essendon 2000 premiers
2001 runners up
2002 fifth
2003 ????
The slide continues

couragous cloke · Post by **couragous cloke** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 10:48 am

another brilliant steve waugh innings! 110 i think, is it too late now!?? 3 sixes steve waugh style! looked in really good form.

footy ROX!

Post by **Donny** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 10:52 am

Yeah, I'm not calling him an all-rounder either. But he certainly wasn't picked as a batsman which is the only spot Steve's diehard supporters (like you.lol) could have found for him.

As for that list you posted, any list that rated Arjuna Ranatunga ahead of Mark Waugh, Dravd, Ponting, Azharuddin and Lara has got to be suspect.

As this topic is about Steve Waugh, was there any particular point in posting that even sillier bowlers list - that rates Glen McGrath at 9 (!) and Murali at 15 (!!!) and rates Klusener, Prasad, Larsen and Allott ahead of Shaun Pollock (lol) - if it doesn't include Steve?

Donny.

GO THE MIGHTY WOODSMEN !! ALL THE WAY IN 2003 AND BEYOND !!!!

JLC · Post by **JLC** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 10:55 am

its based on WORLD CUP matches

jlc

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2001 runners up
2002 fifth
2003 ????
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couragous cloke · Post by **couragous cloke** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 11:09 am

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, donny!! steve waugh should be in the side! ok? lol

footy ROX!

Post by **Donny** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 11:29 am

OK, JLC, but you're using it as a reason to include Tugga in the present WC squad.

Should the Windies pick Curtley Ambrose? He USED to be pretty good too. And let's bring back Deano! He WAS a gun!

Donny.

GO THE MIGHTY WOODSMEN !! ALL THE WAY IN 2003 AND BEYOND !!!!

couragous cloke · Post by **couragous cloke** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 11:31 am

what about joel garner! what a tank!!!! man i'd be scared of him bowling to me

footy ROX!

MrsTarrant · Post by **MrsTarrant** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 5:25 pm

JLC you are draining it mate! I'm on your side with this one Donny! Look Steve is out of the team and that's that let's get over it already!

JLC · Post by **JLC** » Fri Feb 07, 2003 8:35 am

Another great knock from Steve Waugh

why do people write him off ??

jlc

Essendon 2000 premiers
2001 runners up
2002 fifth
2003 ????
The slide continues

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Stevie Waugh Au Revoir????