Post match - Pies thumped by Tigers. All comments.

M@®© · Post by **M@®©** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 4:57 pm

Very poor effort

Bright side we are still 3rd

Im not concerned yet, after all the tigers beat the Crows and the Crows have bounced back strong like good teams do.

If we wanna be branded a good side we need to bounce back V the Saints

melissa · Post by **melissa** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 4:57 pm

i think you're right, westernpie. The two games against teams that are working their way up at the moment - Melbourne and Richmond - were terrible and you'd bet they'd cancel out the Sydney game in the minds of most of the commentators who don't rate us. Gary Lyon, Rex Hunt and Caro would be partying right now. I just can't believe they went into it with so many tall players. Obviously thought this match wasn't important enough to care about, we've beaten all the other lowly teams, Richmond should be a cinch and what happened? They caught us napping like they did Adelaide. Hope they're awake on Sunday or this year could go to the Dogs. Or the Demons... or straight to hell (with an adelaide or freo premiership).

DaVe86 · Post by **DaVe86** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:07 pm

Pies4Premiers, good point regarding the fact that Richmond beat Adelaide. My major concern is that Adelaide only narrowly lost, whereas we got belted. In wet weather, 40 points is like 80. Is that a sign of the gap between Adelaide and Collingwood? I hope not. Adelaide had a very off day the week they played Richmond, yet still nearly pulled a win away from it. We never looked like kicking a goal, let alone winning.

Captain_MyCaptain · Post by **Captain_MyCaptain** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 6:45 pm

DaVe86 wrote:Pies4Premiers, good point regarding the fact that Richmond beat Adelaide. My major concern is that Adelaide only narrowly lost, whereas we got belted. In wet weather, 40 points is like 80. Is that a sign of the gap between Adelaide and Collingwood? I hope not. Adelaide had a very off day the week they played Richmond, yet still nearly pulled a win away from it. We never looked like kicking a goal, let alone winning.

godamnit Dave, you make too much sense mate.

Snoop Dog · Post by **Snoop Dog** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:02 pm

Johnson#26 wrote:

Fair dinkum J26, call it as it is. Half these blokes were terrible.

Rested on their laurels from the week earlier - would have thought Melb was a wake up to these blokes!
Hurts to lament too much/hard.

yeah - I am just gutted that they have that mental weakness in them. just brought back the memories of the 03 GF.

they have to show something on Sunday.

punkologist · Post by **punkologist** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:43 pm

pathetic football................ enough said, move forward to next week.

Cuthbert Collingwood · Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:21 pm

the thing that i have always thought when richmond beat us, and have even told to the whole of the southern stand on one occasion.....

Richmond can beat us occasionally on the field, but will always beat us at being a mediocre team*. WE, have the future, and THEY, have uncertainty.

On several recent meetings a richmond victory has been initially touted as being a turning point for the once mighty tigers, but they go back into the cage pretty darn quickly afterwards. Whose aberration was it?

*EDIT: I think i said to the southern stand, "Richmond, we were shit tonight, but you are the essence of shit and that will remain". So far i have been right, i don't really think this could be the early stages of a tiger renaissance, do you?

perthmagpie · Post by **perthmagpie** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 10:08 pm

Why do we always play shite against them? Even when we win we have never been impressive in the last 5 years. What is it?

Leggie · Post by **Leggie** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 11:27 pm

DaVe86 wrote:Pies4Premiers, good point regarding the fact that Richmond beat Adelaide. My major concern is that Adelaide only narrowly lost, whereas we got belted. In wet weather, 40 points is like 80. Is that a sign of the gap between Adelaide and Collingwood? I hope not. Adelaide had a very off day the week they played Richmond, yet still nearly pulled a win away from it. We never looked like kicking a goal, let alone winning.

You could draw all sorts of conclusions. Yes Richmond beat Adelaide but we beat the Bulldogs and they beat the Eagles. Go figure.

Bring on the Saints!!!

bokka · Post by **bokka** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:49 am

Didn't look as bad on replay as it sounded on the online radio. Most of their 1st half goals were from balls bouncing into their goalfront and a Retchmond player running onto it and kicking off the ground. No Woods player b/n him and the goals, pretty dumb. Took MM a half to twig, 2nd half they pluggged the leak.
Wallace's setups - eg 2 extra back around CHF forced us down the flanks, and their forward setup - were much better, and our coaching response was pedestrian. If in doubt I say try mimicking the opposition, eg put 2 of our men back so it's the same disadvantage. Entries into forwardline were very predictable, like schoolboy football. Definitley a need for more versatility, our gameplan seems to snap like peanut brittle when effectively challenged. Hopefully MM is learning from the (other?) masters.
I would like to see them persevere with Wakelin at CHF, smart and tough player who can also help block their rebound with his defensive ability, presents well, can make space and seemed to make life easier for the crumbers. Seems a better option than "2nd y blues" Travis at this stage. Also getting a bit slow for most defense assignments these days hence omissions.
As for next week, I'm now quietly confident.

Mossi · Post by **Mossi** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 6:48 am

Just had a look at the replay, parts of it anyway. Almost a carbon copy of the Melbourne game. They wanted the ball more were harder at it hassled us no end (the holding behind play.........umps were were you?) made less mistakes and handled the conditions better. They only won the first half but that was enough. Agee with you Bokka they pushed us wide (when we tried to go straight we had problems winning the contest) We lost in the midfield and that made sure our backline was bombarded. The way Raynes hit Pendles sort of made me want to put a jumper on and get out there and slam into a couple myself.
Could have done with Jason Cloke and another hard body out there (Jarrod - wishfull thinking). Be interesting to see the reaction next week.
MM was definitely out-coached (more at selection table than in the game)I would have brought Rocca further up to CHF to provide a more physical contest and put Taz at FF. I suppose you could'nt do more at the rucks as he tried just about everyone and we copped it there!

Miz · Post by **Miz** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:30 am

We keep talking about hard bodies and guys wanting the ball - it happens every time after we get physically hammered and inevitably beaten in the process.

The downside is that we never do anything about it, has Malthouse never noticed Tarrants body language when things are tough?

How about O'Brees softcock approach when the heat comes on?
Spare me the five tackles BS, his tackles are always useless - his five on the weekend resulted in five stoppages and guess where else we were smashed?
Never hurts the opposition and never tackles effectively enough to get a holding the ball decision.

What about the fact that Leon goes missing in every tough, physical match - you want evidence of that?
Two pathetic grand final efforts or even this year when he was in hiding against Melbourne, or what about his 4 disposals for 4 clangers on the weekend?

Throw softcock Lonie into the mix as well, when things get tough Lonie goes shopping.

Theres four players that we can write off come finals time so why not get on the front foot and look for possible players to replace them now?
We dont need better players, we just need players that dont disintegrate when the heat is applied.

Pa Marmo · Post by **Pa Marmo** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:43 am

Danny Stanley will be a likely type but needs his time to mature. If Cam Cloke gets that shoulder right he seems to run straight at it. John Anthony has impressed me and when his body matures he will be a ripper. Seems to have a bit of mongrel in him as well.

KYPREO · Post by **KYPREO** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:18 pm

Miz wrote:Two pathetic grand final efforts or even this year when he was in hiding against Melbourne

Not a consistent game but kicked three goals and took mark of the week, which is a pass grade for a forward pocket - you'd take that input every week from your second most important small forward.

collingwoodjoe · Post by **collingwoodjoe** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:56 pm

Bah, Leon Davis is an excellent forward pocket and can get up the ground on occasion and win the ball, he just about got his leg broke early in the game and is no certainty to play next week, get of your horses. O'Bree is tapering off in form after a great start to the year, he needs Holland back and Swan into the middle again to take some pressure off, may need a rest. as for Lonie, he is a reciever with a long kick and a 190cm tagging midfielder, conditions did not suit.

I think what we are trying to do at the moment is play our 'finals' side regardless of conditions to try and get some cohesion happening, and to see who "stands up". I mean we could have brought in mudders and smalls for the four points but instead went in with basically an unchanged lineup, and why not, better to give the players you want to play in September the experiance of a dour wet MCG than bring in a bunch of guys who don't figure in your finals strategy at all...

... or something like that anyway...

The Saints will be a real test for us, lots of our boys have talent, ours is a premiership coach, if we think we are in with a shot at the flag we need to beat this StKilda team.

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