Post match. Pies v. Roos. All comments

[POMMY]

Just heard on foxtel on "The Winners" that we have been robbed of 20seconds again on the time clock in the last quarter.There should of been 24 seconds on the clock after Nathan Thompsons goal, not 4 secs.Its happened to us twice this year, wats going on:evil:

[Proud Pies]

Just heard on foxtel on "The Winners" that we have been robbed of 20seconds again on the time clock in the last quarter.There should of been 24 seconds on the clock after Nathan Thompsons goal, not 4 secs.Its happened to us twice this year, wats going on:evil:

you think it would have made a difference?

[POMMY]

24 secs is 24 secs anything could of happened in the centre a free kick who knows.Its the principle if you have time you have a chance.

[eddiesmith]

We lost the centre clearance, the ball was on Norths forward line when the siren went wasnt it?

[Cam]

Cakewalk you are 100% wrong, as long as you do not get 24 points you are entitled to the pick, we wouldve got the pp if we drew today. Im 100% sure. 22 points entitles you to the pick. Thats 5 wins and a draw

You're right.

You get the PP if you win "less than 6 games", it's not "more than 5".

No Cakewalk is 100% right. 5 and a half wins is more than 5 wins, which is the stipulation.

No change to priority picks
2:37:31 PM Wed 18 May, 2005
Angus Morgan
Sportal for afl.com.au

The priority pick rules will remain in place for this year's NAB AFL National Draft.

AFL Chief Executive Andrew Demetriou said the clubs were advised on Wednesday that the Commission's philosophy was that it did not want to change any significant rule of the competition once the premiership season was underway.

Demetriou acknowledged, however, that several clubs had been agitating for change, and he said that the league was prepared to review the current system.

"A majority of clubs support a change to the rule and the AFL Commission does intend to review the Special Assistance provisions of the National Draft whereby a club receives a priority selection before round one if it finishes with 20 points or less in a season," Demetriou said.

"The Commission recognises there are valid arguments to change the system, to modify it, or to retain it in its current form, but the Commission does not wish to change significant rules once a premiership season has started and therefore this year's NAB AFL National Draft in November will be conducted under the existing rules," he said.

Demetriou said there were a range of different views across the competition on how priority selection rules should apply - relating to performance over one year, performance over two years, performance over three years and whether a selection should be before or after the first round of the National Draft.

The Commission's decision not to change the National Draft rules on Special Assistance provisions (Priority Picks) for the 2005 season was made at its meeting on Monday.

[magpies are 2 good]

you only get a pp if you get 20 points or lower.

so if u get 6 wins u dont get pp

if u get 5 wins and 1 draw u dont get pp

if u get 11 draws u dont get it

if u get 10 draws u get

[perthmagpie]

When the Thompson took his mark and went back the clock stopped at 44 secs on tv. According to the amateurish AFL timekeeping system it took 40 secs for him to kick the ball 40 metres. When the ball was rebounced 40 secs had disappeared and there was only 4 secs left. This is ridiculous for a multi million dollar sport. 40 secs, 20 secs is heaps. Its enough time to take the ball the length of the ground and take a mark in front. Who is accountable for this pathetic error?

[Cam]

10 seconds is enough for a clearance and a score, remember that Eagles game in Perth in... 92? (I think) when we got a clearance from monky and scored a point (lehmann or was it turner, or someone else) in a few seconds to beat em.

[Eunos]

The roos kicked 2 goals in 39 secs today.

24 secs is an eternity.

[The New Kid in Town]

I remember that game Cam, Monky got a huge hit out, Browny got a handball and Troy Lehmann snapped a lazy point to put us in front. All within 10 seconds. That was the game Craig Kelly did his knee.

[Lone Ranger]

Cant get much clearer than this from the AFL website:

20 points or less for priority pick
11:12:09 AM Wed 3 August, 2005
Paul Gough
Exclusive to afl.com.au
Carlton will not qualify for a priority draft pick if it manages to win five games this season because of its round four draw against Port Adelaide.

AFL football operations manager Adrian Anderson told afl.com.au that only teams with 20 premiership points or less at the end of a season are eligible for an extra draft pick.

While teams with six wins are automatically excluded from a priority pick, there had been some confusion as to what would happen if the Blues finished the season with five wins and a draw.

"If they (Carlton) get to five and a half wins, they will miss out," Anderson said

[Cannibal]

Jazus, what a joke some of you lot are; we had the game in the bag with just a few minutes to go and LOST and you're feeling good? You should be feeling like shit, like I am, and like Bucks was as he left the ground at the end of the game. His face was like thunder. Do some of you just not get it at all? We LOST. We lost a bloody game we should have won, and won in a canter at that. And you're feeling happy? Christ, no wonder we're down the bottom of the ladder. Third last in case some of you haven't noticed. THIS IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. The players are professional footballers. They get paid tens of thousands of dollars, some of them get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars, in salary to spend their days, weeks, months, playing bloody footy. A game. Yet they can't run out a few bloody minutes, to win, when winning is the only bloody thing, and some of you are happy? For f*ck's sakes, Bucks himself misses a straight forward shot right in front that would have won us the game, a shot that Nine calculates he'd get 92% of the time and he MISSES?! Right now, Bucks will be spewing, and so he should be, and so should every single one of his bloody teammates. And so should you, every damn single one of you. Right now, I couldn't give a flying f*ck about next year and "how good we'd be with a full side". How pathetic. We're not playing next season yet; we're still playing this one, in case you haven't noticed that either. We should have rubbed North's faces into the ground, jumped on them, kicked their balls in, shat on them, given 'em f*ckin' hell, made 'em feel like they'd just lost the 2005 Grand Final. Do you not get it? Losing games like that is the worst thing ever. It's miserable, it's stupid, it's pathetic, it's a goddam gut-churning rotten idiotic f*cking disaster. Go jump off the bloody West Gate Bridge if you take anything "nice" out of that, you're just goddam losers if you do.

[Magpie Since 1986]

Cant get much clearer than this from the AFL website:

20 points or less for priority pick
11:12:09 AM Wed 3 August, 2005
Paul Gough
Exclusive to afl.com.au
Carlton will not qualify for a priority draft pick if it manages to win five games this season because of its round four draw against Port Adelaide.

AFL football operations manager Adrian Anderson told afl.com.au that only teams with 20 premiership points or less at the end of a season are eligible for an extra draft pick.

While teams with six wins are automatically excluded from a priority pick, there had been some confusion as to what would happen if the Blues finished the season with five wins and a draw.

"If they (Carlton) get to five and a half wins, they will miss out," Anderson said

Exactly right, if we had a drawn the game we would not be eligible for a PP - it is pretty clear cut, dont know what all the argumentation is about.

[bokka]

Jazus, what a joke some of you lot are; we had the game in the bag with just a few minutes to go and LOST and you're feeling good? You should be feeling like shit, like I am, and like Bucks was as he left the ground at the end of the game. His face was like thunder. Do some of you just not get it at all? We LOST. We lost a bloody game we should have won, and won in a canter at that. And you're feeling happy? Christ, no wonder we're down the bottom of the ladder. Third last in case some of you haven't noticed. THIS IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. The players are professional footballers. They get paid tens of thousands of dollars, some of them get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars, in salary to spend their days, weeks, months, playing bloody footy. A game. Yet they can't run out a few bloody minutes, to win, when winning is the only bloody thing, and some of you are happy? For f*ck's sakes, Bucks himself misses a straight forward shot right in front that would have won us the game, a shot that Nine calculates he'd get 92% of the time and he MISSES?! Right now, Bucks will be spewing, and so he should be, and so should every single one of his bloody teammates. And so should you, every damn single one of you. Right now, I couldn't give a flying f*ck about next year and "how good we'd be with a full side". How pathetic. We're not playing next season yet; we're still playing this one, in case you haven't noticed that either. We should have rubbed North's faces into the ground, jumped on them, kicked their balls in, shat on them, given 'em f*ckin' hell, made 'em feel like they'd just lost the 2005 Grand Final. Do you not get it? Losing games like that is the worst thing ever. It's miserable, it's stupid, it's pathetic, it's a goddam gut-churning rotten idiotic f*cking disaster. Go jump off the bloody West Gate Bridge if you take anything "nice" out of that, you're just goddam losers if you do.

OH well we have to accept by now that the team is in loser mode this season, and trust that next season is a clean slate with new confidence. If we get off to a good start self-belief and winning mentality will build. Might as well look at the positives re emerging young talent etc.

As far as PP's go, I have always been against tanking but at 5 wins with 2 games to play it gets enormously tempting. 2 likely future stars instead of 1 would make a HUGE difference, or another way of looking at it, 2 chances at getting 1 star in case the first pick is a dud. Great teams can be built around just 4 or 5 stars.
Actually the priority pick game count should probably exclude the last 2 games. Problem is that temptation to tank would just be transferred 2 games earlier, but at least the last 2 games of the season would definitely be played at full-throttle, which is good for footy.

[sq3]

Cannibal - no one is happy about losing a game that - Yes we should have won - but you cannot dwell on the -ves and you must only take the +ves out of a loss.

For the last 3 weeks the Pies have been looking at the current list to see where we need changes to improve our 2005 performance.

You must play the young players - with Harry is a gem, HS will be very good, Davies is class, C3 will be a real match winner and Fred is showing what he is capable of.

Out of the others Woey and C1 were unbelievably good - and everyone on the list should see how C1 buts his chops chasing, shepherding and tackling - for no glory.

Max is very good and just needs some tutoring.

Most of our team are very poor in the area of leg strength - which is where breaking tackles and laying a tackle come from. Watch the Broncos Toni Carroll he can reallt run well and fast - but his tackling power comes from lower his shoulders and driving with his legs - and this is why he tackles so well and can run through others tackles - leg strength.

Who the heck is our strength coach at the Pies ??? or is there one at all ???

Get the boys in the gym early this post season and reap the rewards in 2006.

The loss was disappointing - but loads of real good signs out of the game - Harry is what we drafted Richie Cole to be - so Coley may get his dream to go the Bumbers.

Imagine our team with Pebbles, Rogan, Taz, Stretch, C2, Rusling and Didak for the whole game.

Pies have a good foundation to build for 2006 but Ed please get us the skills, strength and conditioning coaches.