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The feeling I have at the moment is one of optimism. Chances that got away, yes. The main thing is that we are doing all the positives, with not all the luck running our way. At least we are not playing as insipidly as we were in the first 2 rounds. Once we get back, Frase in particular, I think there will be a big turnaround. Just hope we dont rue the close ones that got away at seasons end.
Enjoy yourself. Its later than you think!
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In the end, I was pretty proud of the boys, they just kept coming and almost pinched a victory against a good, undefeated side and we have 3 -4 of our best players out. I was far more upset when Rocca went off - 
, more so than the loss. How much more bad luck can we have? (actually come to think of it....)
However I think the loss just sets us back a bit - but all is not lost just yet. We MUST beat the bombers. End of story.
, more so than the loss. How much more bad luck can we have? (actually come to think of it....) However I think the loss just sets us back a bit - but all is not lost just yet. We MUST beat the bombers. End of story.
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These bloody Friday night games really take it out of me these days. Got home at 2am, after stopping off for a pizza with my brother and his kids after the game and that really buggered me up yesterday! I'm still tired but a couple of snags and a nice juicy steak has me back fighting fit!
I'm really, really pleased to come on line and see a whole lot of positives instead of the useless crap negativity that was on miserable display after the loss to Adelaide. It appears like a lot of people are taking a closer look at the side - the positive carry-over effect of beating Carlton, maybe?!
There was a lot to like about the side, despite that heart-breaking loss, and even more positives, once we start to take into account the performances of other sides. The truth of the matter is that we have lost one game on merit (if that's the most appropriate word!) - against Footscray in round 1. People who claim we should be 4-zip are talking through their backsides. We never looked like playing well enough to win that one and it's time you just faced up to that fact. We could, however, with just a couple of instances of better luck, be 3-1 instead of 1-3. Look at our percentage - 95% - and you can see that we really are a better side than our results otherwise indicate.
Move on, people!
I agree with most of what people have been saying about player performances. I thought the most effective guys on the field were Burns and Chad Morrison in the centre, blokes who can get the hard ball AND do something with it. Licca, I'm afraid, had a game he no doubt wants to forget but I'm equally sure he'll make up for it on Anzac Day, so don't think that's a hatchet job on him. Johnno and Shawy were terrific, especially around the ground, where their pace was a very useful counter to the fleet-footed types in North's side. I thought Shawy did a great job on Wells, who did some good things, but far too often was pressured into making a mistake. Someone who could have hurt us badly had his effectiveness drastically reduced. Johnno yet again showed just how much better he is when let loose on the ball and I wish MM would stop putting him back into defence at times, where his value is much reduced. Taz, and Rocca for a quarter and a half, were great. I'll reserve judgement on Cheesey. He played very, very well in the first half and went totally missing in the second. That's the second week in a row he's done that. Maybe he's going to be more effective coming off the bench as an impact player?
I won't blame Taz for not kicking the last but will say that I thought it was a bad kick - the ball came wobbly off the boot, hence its late drift to the side instead of straight through. Cara should have kicked his earlier, though; a bad miss. Even so, he's added another dimension to our forward line and we're better for it. I also thought Walker was a terrific presence on the forward line as another tall. He had North scared and that meant they couldn't double-team Tarrant, so he proved his value, even though he only had half a dozen touches. A big monster like that makes it very difficult for the opposition because, if they don't cover him with a good defender, he'll hurt them badly.
The defence was good, albeit too loose at times. Frankly, I thought Wakelin had a shocker; he mistimed his grabs a lot and looked flat-footed at other times. I thought Presti played his role on Sav to perfection and if he'd been able to kick better when he got loose himself, could even have challenged Jimmy as a rebounding defender on the night! Jimmy was solid but not as damaging as normal but that's how it has to be at times when he has to curb a forward first and foremost. Coley made mistakes but, as I said to my brother on the night, he's showing a belief in himself and having a go. Far better to do that and make a few mistakes than not run any risks at all. When, however, he gets clear and can run the ball upfield, he kills the opposition. Maxwell played some time in the forward line but, whilst he still presented himself, he's much better value in defence. MM needs to let the guys settle in there and become the solid, cohesive unit they have been for the last few years, It's one of our great strengths and it makes no sense to be tinkering with it.
On the downside, why-oh-why were Rowe and Davis confined to the bench for so bloody long, Malthouse?! Neon killed 'em in the last quarter and Rowe is such a quick player with good skills, yet Williams, Woey and Lockyer were having miserable games. Lockyer played the whole game and Woey and Williams nearly so. Firrito softened Woey up beautifully in the first quarter, bumping, shoving, real "right in your face" stuff and, quite fankly, I thought Woey wimped it thereafter. He hardly looked like getting a touch and, when he did (rarely), it was like he was looking over his shoulder for Firrito to crunch him. Plus, since he's so bloody slow, he's becoming a liability in a side that is adding pace all round the ground and this makes him a candidate for Willi, no matter how much we're paying him. Williams is a total waste of time. God knows why Malthouse perseveres with him. Far better to bring Lones back into the side as a winger/flanker, even if he has played a couple of bad games. The difference being that Lones is a very talented player whereas Williams is pretty much useless. Lockyer can have another chance but if he stuffs up on Anzac Day, I'll be calling for his head as well.
As for our position relative to the other sides in the comp, we can also take some positives out of it. Brisbane aren't looking too crash hot at the moment, with three losses, two of them by small margins and one whopper of a loss to Hawthorn yesterday (one of my nephews tipped that, too, by the way!) and Port aren't looking any better. St Kilda are showing signs of reverting to their old form and only Melbourne, of last year's preliminary finalists, is looking good at this point. Injuries and suspensions are hitting some sides very badly. The season has a long way to go and I think we're not all that badly placed and are also showing signs of playing well, as opposed to playing badly as we were in the first two and a half rounds. We've got some decent kids going around at Willi and there's plenty of reasons to remain upbeat. As far as I'm concerned, even a loss on Anzac Day won't be a disaster but I'd like to think we'll win it. Our playing spirit seems to be high but MM needs to get tough on a couple of players whose form is poor and show some resolve in dropping them. Reputations or favouritism notwithstanding.
I'm really, really pleased to come on line and see a whole lot of positives instead of the useless crap negativity that was on miserable display after the loss to Adelaide. It appears like a lot of people are taking a closer look at the side - the positive carry-over effect of beating Carlton, maybe?!
There was a lot to like about the side, despite that heart-breaking loss, and even more positives, once we start to take into account the performances of other sides. The truth of the matter is that we have lost one game on merit (if that's the most appropriate word!) - against Footscray in round 1. People who claim we should be 4-zip are talking through their backsides. We never looked like playing well enough to win that one and it's time you just faced up to that fact. We could, however, with just a couple of instances of better luck, be 3-1 instead of 1-3. Look at our percentage - 95% - and you can see that we really are a better side than our results otherwise indicate.
Move on, people!
I agree with most of what people have been saying about player performances. I thought the most effective guys on the field were Burns and Chad Morrison in the centre, blokes who can get the hard ball AND do something with it. Licca, I'm afraid, had a game he no doubt wants to forget but I'm equally sure he'll make up for it on Anzac Day, so don't think that's a hatchet job on him. Johnno and Shawy were terrific, especially around the ground, where their pace was a very useful counter to the fleet-footed types in North's side. I thought Shawy did a great job on Wells, who did some good things, but far too often was pressured into making a mistake. Someone who could have hurt us badly had his effectiveness drastically reduced. Johnno yet again showed just how much better he is when let loose on the ball and I wish MM would stop putting him back into defence at times, where his value is much reduced. Taz, and Rocca for a quarter and a half, were great. I'll reserve judgement on Cheesey. He played very, very well in the first half and went totally missing in the second. That's the second week in a row he's done that. Maybe he's going to be more effective coming off the bench as an impact player?
I won't blame Taz for not kicking the last but will say that I thought it was a bad kick - the ball came wobbly off the boot, hence its late drift to the side instead of straight through. Cara should have kicked his earlier, though; a bad miss. Even so, he's added another dimension to our forward line and we're better for it. I also thought Walker was a terrific presence on the forward line as another tall. He had North scared and that meant they couldn't double-team Tarrant, so he proved his value, even though he only had half a dozen touches. A big monster like that makes it very difficult for the opposition because, if they don't cover him with a good defender, he'll hurt them badly.
The defence was good, albeit too loose at times. Frankly, I thought Wakelin had a shocker; he mistimed his grabs a lot and looked flat-footed at other times. I thought Presti played his role on Sav to perfection and if he'd been able to kick better when he got loose himself, could even have challenged Jimmy as a rebounding defender on the night! Jimmy was solid but not as damaging as normal but that's how it has to be at times when he has to curb a forward first and foremost. Coley made mistakes but, as I said to my brother on the night, he's showing a belief in himself and having a go. Far better to do that and make a few mistakes than not run any risks at all. When, however, he gets clear and can run the ball upfield, he kills the opposition. Maxwell played some time in the forward line but, whilst he still presented himself, he's much better value in defence. MM needs to let the guys settle in there and become the solid, cohesive unit they have been for the last few years, It's one of our great strengths and it makes no sense to be tinkering with it.
On the downside, why-oh-why were Rowe and Davis confined to the bench for so bloody long, Malthouse?! Neon killed 'em in the last quarter and Rowe is such a quick player with good skills, yet Williams, Woey and Lockyer were having miserable games. Lockyer played the whole game and Woey and Williams nearly so. Firrito softened Woey up beautifully in the first quarter, bumping, shoving, real "right in your face" stuff and, quite fankly, I thought Woey wimped it thereafter. He hardly looked like getting a touch and, when he did (rarely), it was like he was looking over his shoulder for Firrito to crunch him. Plus, since he's so bloody slow, he's becoming a liability in a side that is adding pace all round the ground and this makes him a candidate for Willi, no matter how much we're paying him. Williams is a total waste of time. God knows why Malthouse perseveres with him. Far better to bring Lones back into the side as a winger/flanker, even if he has played a couple of bad games. The difference being that Lones is a very talented player whereas Williams is pretty much useless. Lockyer can have another chance but if he stuffs up on Anzac Day, I'll be calling for his head as well.
As for our position relative to the other sides in the comp, we can also take some positives out of it. Brisbane aren't looking too crash hot at the moment, with three losses, two of them by small margins and one whopper of a loss to Hawthorn yesterday (one of my nephews tipped that, too, by the way!) and Port aren't looking any better. St Kilda are showing signs of reverting to their old form and only Melbourne, of last year's preliminary finalists, is looking good at this point. Injuries and suspensions are hitting some sides very badly. The season has a long way to go and I think we're not all that badly placed and are also showing signs of playing well, as opposed to playing badly as we were in the first two and a half rounds. We've got some decent kids going around at Willi and there's plenty of reasons to remain upbeat. As far as I'm concerned, even a loss on Anzac Day won't be a disaster but I'd like to think we'll win it. Our playing spirit seems to be high but MM needs to get tough on a couple of players whose form is poor and show some resolve in dropping them. Reputations or favouritism notwithstanding.
Glory Glory Good Old Collingwood, Glory Glory Hallelujah,
Collingwood's The Greatest Team The World Has Ever Seen,
And The 'Pies Go Marching On (in Black and White Stripes Forever!).
Collingwood's The Greatest Team The World Has Ever Seen,
And The 'Pies Go Marching On (in Black and White Stripes Forever!).
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We would not have been in the match if not for Cam Cloke. Simple as that. We have a huge gap in the ruck, and he filled this void, and did exactly what was required. The upside is that he can only get better.
Although it probably went unnoticed, I also thought that Morrison was pivotal in a lot of clearances, has good skills, and used the ball intelligently most of the time.
Although it probably went unnoticed, I also thought that Morrison was pivotal in a lot of clearances, has good skills, and used the ball intelligently most of the time.
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agree that cam cloke is doing a lionhearted effort in the ruck and is to be commended however didnt think his game was good against a only half decent ruck brigade from kangas. Hale was the more effective ruckman on the ground. I agree with earlier posts that cams efforts in marking contests may be restricted due to shoulder problems because his contests for a mark arent good enough. He didnt crash packs as well as i would like.
He has tried his heart out in the ruck so dont get me the wrong way when i criticise cameron cloke. He is young, will improve and has been thrown into a job he is not comfortable with. Im just looking at the game and cameron was beaten all over the ground, struggled for a mark and was by no means effective. His whole role was to provide a contest in the ruck, which he did i suppose. This is not a criticism of cameron cloke, it is an indication at the extent of our injury worries. Cameron also has to learn how to lead proparly and get possessions around the ground. He is a real prospect and a necessity now with rocca out.
However looking purely at the context of the game, all factors aside, he was beaten convincingly.
He has tried his heart out in the ruck so dont get me the wrong way when i criticise cameron cloke. He is young, will improve and has been thrown into a job he is not comfortable with. Im just looking at the game and cameron was beaten all over the ground, struggled for a mark and was by no means effective. His whole role was to provide a contest in the ruck, which he did i suppose. This is not a criticism of cameron cloke, it is an indication at the extent of our injury worries. Cameron also has to learn how to lead proparly and get possessions around the ground. He is a real prospect and a necessity now with rocca out.
However looking purely at the context of the game, all factors aside, he was beaten convincingly.
There's more to life than footy.........just not much more.
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I thought that the boys played a very good game.
Rocca's injury really hurt us, and yet we still had the chance to win at the end.
We just couldn't lay a hand on Harvey all night.
Rhyce Shaw - I take my hat off to you!! You may make some clangers, but at least you get the pill and RUN!!!
He would be top 3 in the B&F atm.
Rocca's injury really hurt us, and yet we still had the chance to win at the end.
We just couldn't lay a hand on Harvey all night.
Rhyce Shaw - I take my hat off to you!! You may make some clangers, but at least you get the pill and RUN!!!
He would be top 3 in the B&F atm.
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Agree. They have certainly been the major surprise packet so far, and after a few away wins, finals aren't out of the Adelaide question.Cam wrote:Our one goal loss against the Crows is looking pretty good at the moment.
They just lost to the eagles, just beat us, then pumped Port and beat the Swans in Sydney.
woe_is_me, what you said about Shaw is right. He is one player who is prepared to go for a run once he gets the ball. Hats off to him I say. He is leading the team by example. Cole tries, but over does it.
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Yep it was hard to take but they kept fighting and you have got to admire that. Burnsy was battling again like the warrior that he is and chad morrison tried hard all night. I thought Cam Cloke presented but in the ruck he has to learn to tap it to our advantage he was just hitting it into the gorund and north read it to easy. Our kick ins hurt us north read them perfectly and we paid for it woewodin should never do them he always kicks to people under pressure.
Taz tried all night yep I know he missed the big one, but the criticism of him is unfair he more than held us together after we lost Rocca. I thought Laidley's move of Archer to the centre reallly hurt us and Rowe didn't make him accountable. Overall we showed some grit, lets hope we can bring it to the forefront next week for what is going to be a downright slugfest - we gotta make them bleed first and make sure they don't get up! Rhyce Shaw well done son, you have a lot of heart and courage!
Taz tried all night yep I know he missed the big one, but the criticism of him is unfair he more than held us together after we lost Rocca. I thought Laidley's move of Archer to the centre reallly hurt us and Rowe didn't make him accountable. Overall we showed some grit, lets hope we can bring it to the forefront next week for what is going to be a downright slugfest - we gotta make them bleed first and make sure they don't get up! Rhyce Shaw well done son, you have a lot of heart and courage!
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It was certainly an entertaining friday night at the footy,... apart from the result of course
- I thought we played a good brand of footy - continuing on from last weeks second half as opposed to the first 2.5 games of the season at least!!!
- A great grab from Tarrant & one from Rocca too!!
- Our win against Carlton looks again even better after their result
- The narrow loss to the Crows looks a little easier take
- We almost beat an undefeated team in VERY good form without a few key personnel.
- We really should've held on after hitting the front in the last: Carra & Tarrant should've kicked those!
- How much game time did Davis have???,.... NOT ENOUGH!!!!
However, of most concern after the game is Rocca. Is there anything concrete with regard to his injury?? 3 goals in the 1st quarter!!!,..... A big year for Rocca means a big year for Collingwood!!!
ooohhhh,... forgot to mention that it's great to see Burnsy getting amoungst it again!!
- I thought we played a good brand of footy - continuing on from last weeks second half as opposed to the first 2.5 games of the season at least!!!
- A great grab from Tarrant & one from Rocca too!!
- Our win against Carlton looks again even better after their result
- The narrow loss to the Crows looks a little easier take
- We almost beat an undefeated team in VERY good form without a few key personnel.
- We really should've held on after hitting the front in the last: Carra & Tarrant should've kicked those!
- How much game time did Davis have???,.... NOT ENOUGH!!!!
However, of most concern after the game is Rocca. Is there anything concrete with regard to his injury?? 3 goals in the 1st quarter!!!,..... A big year for Rocca means a big year for Collingwood!!!
ooohhhh,... forgot to mention that it's great to see Burnsy getting amoungst it again!!
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