Post Match v Roos.....comments here thanks

[leonmagic]

Some like Williams, Davis, Woewodin, Maxwell, Lockyer, Burns (maybe), Rowe, and Holland should be traded at the end of the year.

Maxwell? Burns? Rowe???

What the hell are you talking about???

[carcarly_pieland]

I'd also like to point out that we gave the Roos 2 goals in the red time of 1st qtr, and let them crawled back into the game. Both goals were from Pies' kick-in. I'm not blaming Clement, but we really should have held onto the ball instead of kicking it long to a contest, twice.

[bwphantom]

I for one will go on the record to say that 'I am more than happy with that game'. And to be honest those of you who have posted negatively I believe is due to frustration more than anything else.

I see the Kangas as top 4 material this season and we danced with them closely all night. My only CONSTRUCTIVE criticism is that our midfield man up needs to be tightened.

Unlike some of you in here I thought Woey had a reasonable game and was under quite a few packs in our back line. Williams plays like a typical forward pocket, however why he had more time on ground that Davis is a bit of a mystery.

Oh and those of you who continue to bag O'Bree GET A LIFE, I thought he played his best game for the season and has improved marginally each week. If he continues to improve opposition WATCH OUT.

I was quietly confident that we might win this game, however I thought if we lost it would have been by quite a big margin. Yea Taz maybe should have kicked that goal, and also Cara. But guees what THEY DIDN'T. And that my friends is why I love this game of football 'Sometimes you pinch 'em, and other times Mr luck evades you'.

After last nights effort I believe we showed that we are top 8 contenders with the ability to hurt teams higher than us.

Beat the Dons and we are 2/3 after 5. I would be pretty pleased with that.

GO PIES!!!!!!

[Birdy]

My thoughts exactly bwphantom, it was a demoralising loss after coming soooo close, but I'm still relatively happy with the performance. The Roos are a quality side and we matched it with them the whole game and if it wasn't for Rocca's injury and some bad luck at the end, we would certainly have come away with a win. Tarrant and Caracella shouldn't cop the blame as we had plenty of wasted opportunities before that. Woey kicking over the head of Williams to what should have been a certain goal was a shocking example. However we look like a different team compared to the first two games of the season and theres still room for much improvement, expecially once we get a proper ruckman back. I'm looking forward to Anzac Day.

[Piepark]

Don't get fooled by our one game a year man O'Bree, he has to do that consistently, week in week out. The only genuine real improvment from our so called 'ordinary players' list has been Rhyce Shaw, 4 games of genuine improvment, O'Bree and Williams can be axed any day of the week for my liking.

The thing that annoys me most with last night is the fact if played like this in the first two weeks we would be 3-1 instead of 1-3. The intenisty is there, the pressure is there, the gameplan is being fine tuned but our best is very good, our worst is very bad. MM shouldn't be afraid to drop O'Bree, Williams and Woewodin. They are all very slow, and in case of Woey, very much down in confidence. Don't even consider Lonie as far I'm concerned, to put it politely, you won't find him getting in and under to get the hard ball and I for one don't want another receiver in the side.

Bring on the Bombers and please, please bring in some new faces.

[stonedpies]

Well what can i say...after watching the big Ant go down it was pretty hard to watch the game..

They tried and that was the positive thing, we were unlucky and full strength i think we wld beat the the Roo's easily...

Someone mentioned that they thought Roo's wld be a top 4 team at end of year , somehow i dont think so..

Williams must go and i agree bout c2 that he prob needs a run with willy now...i dunno he gets in the right spots a lot of time to take marks but doesnt sorta attack it the way he shld..hes just raw , he needs time and more experience!!

Caracella was pretty good but he's not much of a chaser or tackler, he needs to improve in this area BIGTIME!!

Onwards to next week now and this is really now a huge game for us seasonwise..i think we can beat the bombers and have to or else we r f**ked..

FFS tho, what have we done to deserve all these injuries...f**ken unbelievable

[mudlark]

Still a pretty good effort without Rocca, Fraser, Bucks, Didak and Richards to their solitary injury, Motlop. We are not far away if we can keep our spirits up. Injuries are destroying our structure. The game was a toss up and a few bad misses cost us the game at the end. With Pebs not injured we would have won comfortably. Can't complain, they gave it their all.

Couldn't agree more with you PM. north had their best side in they could possibly field, and the list of our injured that you mentioned here would destroy ANY club. We had the chance to beat the roos and I believe we played better than them so I think if we don't slip too far behind and we get our best side on the ground, we will be there when the whips are cracking.

[Johnson#26]

J26 after WCE we play Hawthorn. I believe we should be aiming to be 5-5 after round 10.Despite the ordinary first 2 games we haven't been punished percentage wise.Remember we play these teams again with hopefully a much stronger team later in the year.If we keep improving and can stay in touch we are still some chance.

That wouldn't be all that bad. We can relaunch from there, although after that (in no particular order) we have:

Melbourne
Sydney (Sydney)
Geelong
Port Adelaide (Telstra Dome)
Brisbane (Gabba)

All big losses (possibly). We need to be up for every week.

[ConBigWig]

[quote="Hiss"]Tonight's effort confirms how little depth we have in our list. a product of arrogant and poor recruiting for too long.

Some like Williams, Davis, Woewodin, Maxwell, Lockyer, Burns (maybe), Rowe, and Holland should be traded at the end of the year. I have watched these blokes make too many mistakes, half hearted efforts, ineffective tackles, dropped marks, missed goals, all too regularly.[quote]

Your name is not Robert Walls? What a load of shit.

Considering the injuries, we played a good game of football against the in form team of the competition. We could of easily won that game and you would of been singing another tune.

[Johnson#26]

Some like Williams, Davis, Woewodin, Maxwell, Lockyer, Burns (maybe), Rowe, and Holland should be traded at the end of the year. I have watched these blokes make too many mistakes, half hearted efforts, ineffective tackles, dropped marks, missed goals, all too regularly.

Burns? What did he do wrong last night? He was our best, kept winning the footy, got two goals and laid some crunching tackles. What more do you want? Lockyer tried his hardest, and his knee injury has robbed him of much of his pace. Maxwell and Rowe are yonug! About 14 games in!. Give them time, both show potential!

Was frustrating seeing Rock and Taz 3-teamed most of the night and Archer/Sinclair allowed to run riot across half back.

Exactly. So what do we do in that situation? Man them up. So what if it clogs our forward line. It makes it an even, one on one contest.

3. Williams just seems to have a knack of turning the ball over in the most impossible circumstances i.e. hitting North Melbourne players on the chest when they are amongst a sea of Magpie players. The funniest passage of play was definately O'Bree getting the ball outside 50m (oh gawd), then kicking it to Willams who marks inside 50m (two duds linking together).

That was a shocker. Horrible kick.

Oh and those of you who continue to bag O'Bree GET A LIFE, I thought he played his best game for the season and has improved marginally each week. If he continues to improve opposition WATCH OUT.

Agree. It was his best game for the season, and did a great job under pressure - especially the first quarter.

[Big T]

People are saying "drop C2 to Willy" in one breath and then "he needs more experience" on the other.

Yes he needs more experience, in the seniors every week, get 40 games into him, he is a big man and needs time to develop at senior level as he has the body for it, just needs to know how to use it, same as Tex.

[sq3]

I was totally happy with the game and I believe that the Pies will be better off in 2005 with the loss rather than if they had got the win.
Why ?
Simple - they will be far more tenaciuos and harder now and that will lead to wins that before may have been losses.
This will bond the playing group closer together - and the guys that did not get a game will be busting their chops to get into the team.
This will be a very solid team unit that no none will NOT want to play for.
I am hoping this will inspire Taz to do more goal kicking work to improve even more.
He needs to have someone sit down with him and watch footage of Lloyd, Plugger, Piggy, Salmon and Quinlan (even Templeton). They ALL had a pre shot routine. Taz needs a pre shot routine as you mentally lock in and from there you are on Auto Pilot and you just execute AS YOU TRAIN.
Taz could be a 75+ goal FF this year.
I loved the way the team just hung in there - I thought they were gone - but the proved me wrong and showed REAL GUTS.
I loved Shaws game in particular - he is really stepping up this year and OB proved everyone wrong and MM right in picking him.
C2 was too eager and that threw his timing for most of the game.
I heard a saying on the sports network today about a golfer that is really starting to do well and it should be on everyones locker door.
STOP TRYING and START BELIEVING.
Pies are the real deal and if we can get back Dids and Stretch and C3 and or C1 are available we will spank the Bombers on Anzac Day.
I will bet last night the 3 most disappointed would have been - Bux, Josh and Pebbles - as they know if they were all there the Pies would have feasted on Roos.
This is still really the BEST thing for the Pies this year and we WILL play finals football in 2005.

[rand corp]

One that got away, largely of our own doing, some misfortune, some mystifying coaching and some good performances from their side as well.

Very bad news about Ant, just starting to really hit his straps for the season and down he goes. The big fella was killing them, his loss was and will be very hard to cover.

Travis will get his chance, I'm praying he's as good as some are saying.

Cam tried his guts out, plenty of heart and we won the clearances most of the night, but he's hard to watch at times. Too slow, cannot take a contested mark, mis-times his jump. With a fully fit squad of talls he'd struggle to hold his place at the moment one would think. I know he's only played ten games or so and as I said, he's gives his all but, he's got plenty to learn at the moment.

Tarks can be soft as butter on a bad day and his 'protected species' status annoys me at times, was sh1te-house last night, dogged it.

Willo, Willo, Willo, Willo, Willo, Willo, Willo, what more can I possibly say, if I start, surely I'll rant on for hours. When oh when MM will you do what everyone else in football knows you must, banish him, write him off, let it go man, its beyond embarrassing.

Coley, between moments of total brain freeze there is still plenty of promise.

Tex, looking less and less the backman but, should be given more opportunities up forward.

Taz, as good as you are mate, champions kick those, harsh, but simple as that.

Carra, good pick up, late quarter specialist, his skill and poise have added a lot to our forward line.

Cheesy, better now keep it up.

Woey, the end is nigh

Wakes, underated champion

Rhyce, looked a nice game Rhyce but hey, your man towelled us.

Archer, must have stepped in something nasty because no one got near him all night.

Maxy, courageous at times, too loose at others

Rowe: Yeah, here's an idea Mick, leave him on the pine all night, even when they are rebounding through the midfield at will and running our plodders off their feet. Let's go with Willo instead Mick, he's an old West Costian boy, good lad, character, can run all day.
If MM follows the pattern Rowe will get dropped next week and Willo will again retain his spot, not merely predictable Mick, its tragic.

Neon, read above under Rowe.

Clem: Solid but cleverly dragged out of the play by the junkyard dog.

Presti, solid as well a Presti

Ah Mick, you're doing my head in, better go, Willo, Willo, W..i...l..l..o, W..i..l..l..oh.

[Raef]

I was totally happy with the game and I believe that the Pies will be better off in 2005 with the loss rather than if they had got the win.
Why ?
Simple - they will be far more tenaciuos and harder now and that will lead to wins that before may have been losses.
This will bond the playing group closer together - and the guys that did not get a game will be busting their chops to get into the team.
This will be a very solid team unit that no none will NOT want to play for.
I am hoping this will inspire Taz to do more goal kicking work to improve even more.
He needs to have someone sit down with him and watch footage of Lloyd, Plugger, Piggy, Salmon and Quinlan (even Templeton). They ALL had a pre shot routine. Taz needs a pre shot routine as you mentally lock in and from there you are on Auto Pilot and you just execute AS YOU TRAIN.
Taz could be a 75+ goal FF this year.
I loved the way the team just hung in there - I thought they were gone - but the proved me wrong and showed REAL GUTS.
I loved Shaws game in particular - he is really stepping up this year and OB proved everyone wrong and MM right in picking him.
C2 was too eager and that threw his timing for most of the game.
I heard a saying on the sports network today about a golfer that is really starting to do well and it should be on everyones locker door.
STOP TRYING and START BELIEVING.
Pies are the real deal and if we can get back Dids and Stretch and C3 and or C1 are available we will spank the Bombers on Anzac Day.
I will bet last night the 3 most disappointed would have been - Bux, Josh and Pebbles - as they know if they were all there the Pies would have feasted on Roos.
This is still really the BEST thing for the Pies this year and we WILL play finals football in 2005.

well said old boy, finally someone with some vision!

[Johnson#26]