Post match v Cows..all comments here

[dillo_09]

AWESOME performance young fella. Hold you head up and be proud.

Ran his guts out all day, competed, showed poise, played smart in the ruck by trying to make play with directed taps (not all came off) and big thumps towards our goal. Not all his hitouts were effective but what I liked was that he thinks about what he is doing and is creative.

Had a red hot dip and thats all we can ask for. If the word is correct and his brother is a better player, those two will be dominating the comp in a few years time.

One of a few positives to come out of todays game.

[dillo_09]

just got home from work, seen the scores, wannaa puke. No replay til 8.00 (fox footy). What in tarnations is happening guys. Same old problems. eg. no takling, not direct, poor delivery, goal kicking, lack of confidence, out coached, no depth. I know its only round two, but geeeeeeeeeez. Can anyone shed some light. And was there ANY ray of sunshine there today!!!!

Yes, Caracella, Clement & Johnston. Thats about it.

You are kidding arnt you? What about Cameron Cloke? I thought he was our 2nd best, only pipped by Johnno but only because of his sheer number of possessions.

The kid was awesome - showed brains and knowledge of the game and ruckwork way beyond his years.

[POMMY]

We cant expect to win a game by only playing 2 quarters of footy and skill error after skill error.Forward line nonexistent.Well done to the backline tried hard all game.We need changes next week too many passengers not playing with any passion.
At least wear the black and white with pride instead of taking it for granted.Very disappointed.

[favourites 2008]

sorry to say but these are not rays of sunshine . all these are already established (altho caracella is new to collingwood). the positives would be if someone new to the team showed REAL promise .
the next 3 years are going to be long and cold because we have no one coming up who is putting there hand up to be a star from our 21-24 age group (except johhno who has been improving . but star.. i dont know) and bucks burns wakelin are all 30 plus . rocca 27 and with his mobility and fitness can u see him being a factor in 3 years . clement 28 , licca 27 and will only get slower , woewoedin 28 and getting slower .
and none of last year or the year b4 recruits are getting anyone excited except rowe .

Rowe?? 18 possies 10 marks and a goal?
Cloke??
Shaw??

[sq3]

C2 will go to his position as soon as Stretch or Josh gets back - C2 is the FF for the nect 8-10 years.

He has strength, size, skills, guts and a far better conversion rate than Taz.

C3 has the ability, pace and size to be a Riewoldt or even better.

[Seth]

Absolutlely pathetic! These guys have no skils whatsoever. They couldn't hit the side of a barn with their pathetic kicking skills.

I am sick of this rot. Perhaps the whole magpie spirit has gone when we left Vic park. Yes we have great facilites, yes we have a great new stand, yes we have a wonderful gymn and pool. No we have THE WORST list and it doesn't get any better after watching Williamstown yesterday.

We are rabble, we deserve to be where we are and I have finally come to the realisation that our recruiting of the shaws and clokes and woewodins of this world are backwards steps.

How the hell did we make 2 grand finals.

And to all those who will attack me for my cricisms, jam it up where the sun don't shine. I'm sick of it. Time these nancy boys need a good firm swift kick up the backside.

[London Dave]

jam it up where the sun don't shine.

That would be London then!!

[sq3]

Seth - the problem lies with the coaching and conditioning staff.

Where is the full time skills coach - not there !!

Are the players in better condition than the start of 2004 - No !!

The coaching staff are meant to be professionals and in all professions you are paid to do your job.

These so called professionals must be held accountable (to the board) and changes MUST be made in the off field staff.

The sooner the changes are made the sooner the results will change.

Same as last year - Pies should run on results NOT excuses.

Fire the duds and hire the required professionals where required.

[favourites 2008]

Least they had a crack second half, again only played 2 qtrs, not good enough. Rowe, Cloke, Clemant, Jonno, Waklin, Lica Cara and Morrison can hold the head high. Jus not enough support. I'm gutted jus can't understand y we didn't man up at the end!!!

[shackleton]

I'm shattered, could be a very very long year... i was expecting a lot from the pies this year and i guess i was wrong. We are slow, disorganised bunch middle of the road players.

Murdered in the midfield by a team, that like us have been tipped to struggle this year, i know its only very early in the season but we have just played two teams that are most probably going to be in the lower rungs of the ladder. Some of our best chances of winning have just gone out the window.

Not being at the game its hard to gauge the effectiveness of some players, for me watching on television it looked like our midfielders Licuria, Woe, Burns, etc etc... all got plenty of the ball but caused about as much damage as a pacifist in a war. Were are the blokes running through the lines and splitting the game open.

Good on Cam Cloke, tried his guts out. Rowe, bright future for this kid, and it looks like we are gonna need a lot more from him this year if we are going to at least compete. Shaw showed some signs he's starting to get some confidence, just gotta work on disposal. Ben Johnson looked the goods and tried hard all day and like shaw just needs to work on disposal and finally in my humble opinion our best player for the day James Clement who held the back half together all day and put on show his great footballing brain.

[Seth]

Its funny sq3 in 02 and 03 I thought our fitness and conditioning staff were red hot due to no injuries etc but this year it is terrible in every department. How can there skills be so bad, it's terrible. they are great at passing around for easy kicks and marks in the back half but when it counts in the forward line it is terrible. I could not believe what i saw today. Surely they must be embarrased with the amount of clangers they kick and that they head the league in this. gee there's something to be proud of.

[spoljar]

We are seriously becoming the Benny Hill side of the competition with our disposal and decision making. At one stage there, I actually found myself laughing particularly in that second quarter when we turned the ball over about 4 times in a row going into our forward 50.

If it wasn't for our defence, we would be absolutely getting a pasting. Our back six can certainly take a bow!

The reality is that I have seriously over estimated our side. I thought we were a genuine top 4 team. I was completely out of my mind. We will be lucky, and I emphasise the word lucky just to make 8th spot. The reality is that we are looking at bottom four again this season.

Players such as Rowe, Cloke, Johnson, Clement and Caracella can take a bow as they contributed and really did their absolute best for the team.

Some serious question though need to be asked of players such as Tarrant. This is a player who rarely ever takes a contested mark, kicks very poorly for goal, is very lazy at ground level and seems again to be looking very disinterested! He has been in the system for 8 seasons now and really needs to pull his finger out because it seems that Tarrant can only take a mark if no one actually lays a finger on him!

[Dale61]

Whilst in the VO today, here's how I worked out our game plan.

Get ball in defence, handpass, handpass, short kick, handpass and short kick to get outside the defensive 50.

Repeat process along wing to get somewhere near the forward 50.

Hold on to ball to allow opposition defense to man up. Kick to target (Taz or Rocca) even if they are double teamed. Turn ball over, allow opposition to run ball out of defense..

Opposition kicks long, marks, short passes into their 50, kicks goal.

Really, could it get any simpler?

[London Dave]

These so called professionals must be held accountable (to the board) and changes MUST be made in the off field staff.

Top call mate.

If it ain't crisis meeting time, I dunno what is. Crisis does not equal panic. We are looking rooted. We need to get our shit together.Even when we wre crap in the 90's, we pretty much always beat the Crows in Melb. That's what sets my alarm bells off here.

[Seth]

Whilst in the VO today, here's how I worked out our game plan.

Get ball in defence, handpass, handpass, short kick, handpass and short kick to get outside the defensive 50.


Repeat process along wing to get somewhere near the forward 50.

Hold on to ball to allow opposition defense to man up. Kick to target (Taz or Rocca) even if they are double teamed. Turn ball over, allow opposition to run ball out of defense..

Opposition kicks long, marks, short passes into their 50, kicks goal.

Really, could it get any simpler?

Spot on Dale. I was there as well and that is exactly how it is done. Tarrant???? God he looks useless.

We had 41 ineffective kicks and 20 clangers! 20 clangers! What does that say.