i'm shattered.......why the hell do they continually HANDBALL when they are in trouble and turn it over immediately!!! It's beyond a friggin joke and O'Bree has to be the worst offender, the ball comes to him, he panicks and handballs it and EVERY BLOODY TIME turns it over...GET RID OF HIM!
I cannot believe that I was relogated to FERAL COLLINGWOOD SUPPORTER tonight, my behaviour and language were atrocious and for any Collingwood supporters around me tonight, please forgive me, but I hate Carlton and we had to win and to the bitch carlton supporter in the COLLINGWOOD MEMBERS seats (again N2), as I said...............
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Get over it man. We played hard football, Carlton played just as hard, yes our skills were down and MM picked a very unimaginative lineup with no new blood for the last, IRRELEVANT game, but a narrow loss was a good result given what was (or should I say wasn'e) on the line.
Yes, it is about the draft picks. So we finish 13th and they finish 11th or 12th. BIG FRIGGING DEAL. What more do you want from the boys when their confidence is down? When the umpires in the third quarter crucify us? When the Blues are coming off a good win over the Dees and have Kouta at full strength?
How anyone could say they are shattered mystifies me. If we had have been belted, yeah fair enough. But we lost by the narrowest of margins, will get better draft picks and can take a lot out of the game.
Yes, it is about the draft picks. So we finish 13th and they finish 11th or 12th. BIG FRIGGING DEAL. What more do you want from the boys when their confidence is down? When the umpires in the third quarter crucify us? When the Blues are coming off a good win over the Dees and have Kouta at full strength?
How anyone could say they are shattered mystifies me. If we had have been belted, yeah fair enough. But we lost by the narrowest of margins, will get better draft picks and can take a lot out of the game.
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Guess it's because it was against Carlscum.
Disappointing yes ... and to see their young guys play so well and ours playing rubbish especially after half-time. Our disposals got pretty ugly.
Well, I can't see how we can be a finals team next yea playing like this. I'm sure we are good but almost all the other teams seem to be better - young players coming up and experienced players getting better - hope it's just a confidence thing and we can come all guns blazing next year.
Disappointing yes ... and to see their young guys play so well and ours playing rubbish especially after half-time. Our disposals got pretty ugly.
Well, I can't see how we can be a finals team next yea playing like this. I'm sure we are good but almost all the other teams seem to be better - young players coming up and experienced players getting better - hope it's just a confidence thing and we can come all guns blazing next year.
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Collingwood vs Carlton: Match Review
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The season from hell's final chapter was written tonight as Carlton came from behind to defeat a sluggish Collingwood. Despite leading almost all night, the Pies lost the lead late in the thrid term, and never regained it. The loss now sees Collingwood finish off the season on a very disappoint note, with only eight wins to their credit. The Blues had a much happier season, where they won the points on ten occasions. The Magpies can only look towards next season, as they can now contemplate life with a quiet September.
The first quarter began with Collingwood hitting the Blues with everything, and ending the term with a 13 point lead. Chris Tarrant scored the first one in the goalsquare after some good work from Lonie up the field. Leon Davis then cashed in on some good work again from Tarrant to see the Pies out to an early two goal break. But the Blues struck back, with Koudafiedies scoring their first, before Whitnall nabbed one to level the scores. The Magpies soon slipped back to their early season form, of chipping the ball around and not making any progress. Jason Cloke marked a clever Scott Burns kick to keep the Pies out of the Blues reach, while Tarrant scored his second. The Magpies had skipped out to a thirteen quarter time lead, with Buckley - with nine possessions and Licuria with eight the main standouts. The danger man from the last time they met - Justin Davies loomed large all quarter, but couldn't put his stmp on the game.
The second quarter saw Collingwood keep out of the Blues reach - but the gap was closed, as the Blues pressed forward at every oppotunity. Tarrant and Davis continued their goal scoring feats, as the Pies attempted many a time to break the shackles but were brought back by the Blues every time they skipped away. Davis, Tarrant and Andrew Williams - who performed his best game for the season - all goaled to keep the Pies in good nick. Williams showed courage as he marked strongly and goaled, as well as some other tough efforts. Brodie Holland also goal, with a nice crumb off the pack resalting in a goal. But Carlton kept coming back, with Houlahan, Fevola and Whitnall strarting to warm, up. Nick Stevens was a constant threat all evening, with his ball use a feature. Jordan Bannister had tightned up on Buckley, and it showed as Buckley's influence was limited. Collingwood again led by only two goals at the main break.
Carlton finally overran the Pies in a tence thrid quarter, there they kept coming and coming at the Magpies until it all became too much. The dam walls burst when Brendan Fevola - who had been kept in check by James Clement for most of the night - broke free to stroll in and nail the goal to take the Blues to the lead. Jarrad Waite also joined in the fun, with another freakish goal to extend the lead. Brodie Holland did an excillent job on Scott Camporarle, but Nick Stevens continued to run off Licuria, who had given the Maggies good service in the middle. Tarrant had goalscoring oppotunities as did Lonie, but only Didak was a major target up in attack, scoring a nice running goal. A key figure in the Carlton comeback was Josh Fraser's absence. Fraser liped form the field in the second term with a calf injury, but battled on to come back for the tence final term. Ben Johnson, in his 100th match, gavce a away a free and a fifty meter penalty to Davies, to give the Blues a nice buffer. Tristan Walker's terrific final effort in the closing stages of the quarter was a highlight, as it kept the Blues within four points at the final change.
Both sides gave it everything in the final quarter for season 2004. It was end to end stuff, with neither side nor coach giving an inch. The Blues had the early break away, with Stevens, Davies, Fevola and later on Scotland all goaling to sting the Magpies into action. One of the main problems for the Pies was their tendancy to hadball to each other looking to switch the play, rather then kick it long. Chris Tarrant had several goalscoring oppotunities, but hooked both shots, keeping Carlton to a handy lead. Andrew Williams, who was playing for his footballing life, gave it everything in a final quarter bid to see his Magpies over the line. A couraous mark and goal resalted in the Magpies getting within reach of the spirited Blues unit. After Scotland goaled to extenmd the lead to what was thought to be a match winning one, Tarrant was rewarded a free kick within range of the big sticks, after many frees had gone the way of the Blues all night. Tarrant converted, scoring his fifth goal for the night, seeing the Magpies down by only one behind. The final minute was a tence and tough one, with the Pie shaving an early oppotunity to score, but they again handballed it around, diminishing their chances. Carlton held onto the lead, and the victory - which was a monet to saver against the old enamy. They can now look forward to 2005 with great optumism, while Collingwood can only pinder over the season from hell - in which after two losing Grand Finals, missed out on the final eight. Licuria with 35 touches and Woewodin were the best all tight, whgile Tarrant equalled his best goal haul for the season - equalling his five goal effort against the Crows.
Player Review:
Leon Davis: 6/10 - A good solid four quarter effort from Leon, who worked hard all night. Showed some spark and played his role well. Good evening.
Shane Woewodin: 8/10 - Couragous, hard running performance from Woey, who won the ball well all night. Stood up in the clinches and really made an effort.
Ryan Lonie: 6/10 - Very good all night. He has finally shown some of his 2001 form where he took the competiton by storm, and is well on the way to regainig his best form.
Alan Didak: 1.5/10 - Very quiet end to the season for Dids.
Nathan Buckley: 7/10 - Very good all ngiht. Won nine first term touches before Banniter put the clamps on him. Should be pleased with his night - in which he spent the game in the midfield.
Brodie Holland: 5.5/10 - Coninued his fierce rivalry with Camporealre and nullifyed him well. Solid effort, as well as a nice running goal.
James Clement: 6.5/10 - Work has hard as ever and used the ball well. Fevola broke away from him late to seal the victory.
Shane O'Bree: 4/10 - Won a bit of the ball but didn't use it. Has an interesting few months coming up.
Richard Cole: 5/10 - Good effort all night, but was a little loose at times.
Scott Burns: 6.5/10 - Very good night. Work hard and scored a great running goal in the last. Set the example.
Paul Licuria: 9/10 - Best game fo0r the season for Licca. 35 possessions and a good job on Stevens mean best on ground. Wares his heart on his sleeve and the loss is not his fault.
Andrew Williams: 5.5/10 - Fought bravely and couragously all ngiht as the thrid tall forward. Marked well and goaled on occasions. Maybe he has saved his career from the chop, and could be that missing link that broke when Nick Davis left the club.
Chris Tarrant: 7/10 - Great effort by Tazza. He could have scored eight goals if not for inaccurate kicking. Marked well, led well and played like a star should. Good match.
Rhyce Shaw: 1/10 - It is unfair to judge him like that but spent too much time on the pine to get a fair run.
Tarkyn Lockyer: 3/10 - Quiet night for Tarkyn.
Josh Fraser: 6/10 - Worked hard but couldn't get into the game. Inury did not help but didn't stop battling.
Ben Johnson: 5/10 - Solid service in his 100th game. Ran hard and got out of trouble on occasions, but his anger boiled over.
Mark McGough: 1/10 - It is unfair to judge him like that but spent too much time on the pine to get a fair run.
Jason Cloke: 5/10 - Took some nice marks and did well in defence, but found life a struggle as a forward.
Dane Swan: 3.5/10 - Solid early but faded.
Tristan Walker: 5/10 - Good effort from Tex, who ends his season on a positive note, and will be akey in our future.
Julian Rowe: 2/10 - Very good early before mysteriously benched.
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The season from hell's final chapter was written tonight as Carlton came from behind to defeat a sluggish Collingwood. Despite leading almost all night, the Pies lost the lead late in the thrid term, and never regained it. The loss now sees Collingwood finish off the season on a very disappoint note, with only eight wins to their credit. The Blues had a much happier season, where they won the points on ten occasions. The Magpies can only look towards next season, as they can now contemplate life with a quiet September.
The first quarter began with Collingwood hitting the Blues with everything, and ending the term with a 13 point lead. Chris Tarrant scored the first one in the goalsquare after some good work from Lonie up the field. Leon Davis then cashed in on some good work again from Tarrant to see the Pies out to an early two goal break. But the Blues struck back, with Koudafiedies scoring their first, before Whitnall nabbed one to level the scores. The Magpies soon slipped back to their early season form, of chipping the ball around and not making any progress. Jason Cloke marked a clever Scott Burns kick to keep the Pies out of the Blues reach, while Tarrant scored his second. The Magpies had skipped out to a thirteen quarter time lead, with Buckley - with nine possessions and Licuria with eight the main standouts. The danger man from the last time they met - Justin Davies loomed large all quarter, but couldn't put his stmp on the game.
The second quarter saw Collingwood keep out of the Blues reach - but the gap was closed, as the Blues pressed forward at every oppotunity. Tarrant and Davis continued their goal scoring feats, as the Pies attempted many a time to break the shackles but were brought back by the Blues every time they skipped away. Davis, Tarrant and Andrew Williams - who performed his best game for the season - all goaled to keep the Pies in good nick. Williams showed courage as he marked strongly and goaled, as well as some other tough efforts. Brodie Holland also goal, with a nice crumb off the pack resalting in a goal. But Carlton kept coming back, with Houlahan, Fevola and Whitnall strarting to warm, up. Nick Stevens was a constant threat all evening, with his ball use a feature. Jordan Bannister had tightned up on Buckley, and it showed as Buckley's influence was limited. Collingwood again led by only two goals at the main break.
Carlton finally overran the Pies in a tence thrid quarter, there they kept coming and coming at the Magpies until it all became too much. The dam walls burst when Brendan Fevola - who had been kept in check by James Clement for most of the night - broke free to stroll in and nail the goal to take the Blues to the lead. Jarrad Waite also joined in the fun, with another freakish goal to extend the lead. Brodie Holland did an excillent job on Scott Camporarle, but Nick Stevens continued to run off Licuria, who had given the Maggies good service in the middle. Tarrant had goalscoring oppotunities as did Lonie, but only Didak was a major target up in attack, scoring a nice running goal. A key figure in the Carlton comeback was Josh Fraser's absence. Fraser liped form the field in the second term with a calf injury, but battled on to come back for the tence final term. Ben Johnson, in his 100th match, gavce a away a free and a fifty meter penalty to Davies, to give the Blues a nice buffer. Tristan Walker's terrific final effort in the closing stages of the quarter was a highlight, as it kept the Blues within four points at the final change.
Both sides gave it everything in the final quarter for season 2004. It was end to end stuff, with neither side nor coach giving an inch. The Blues had the early break away, with Stevens, Davies, Fevola and later on Scotland all goaling to sting the Magpies into action. One of the main problems for the Pies was their tendancy to hadball to each other looking to switch the play, rather then kick it long. Chris Tarrant had several goalscoring oppotunities, but hooked both shots, keeping Carlton to a handy lead. Andrew Williams, who was playing for his footballing life, gave it everything in a final quarter bid to see his Magpies over the line. A couraous mark and goal resalted in the Magpies getting within reach of the spirited Blues unit. After Scotland goaled to extenmd the lead to what was thought to be a match winning one, Tarrant was rewarded a free kick within range of the big sticks, after many frees had gone the way of the Blues all night. Tarrant converted, scoring his fifth goal for the night, seeing the Magpies down by only one behind. The final minute was a tence and tough one, with the Pie shaving an early oppotunity to score, but they again handballed it around, diminishing their chances. Carlton held onto the lead, and the victory - which was a monet to saver against the old enamy. They can now look forward to 2005 with great optumism, while Collingwood can only pinder over the season from hell - in which after two losing Grand Finals, missed out on the final eight. Licuria with 35 touches and Woewodin were the best all tight, whgile Tarrant equalled his best goal haul for the season - equalling his five goal effort against the Crows.
Player Review:
Leon Davis: 6/10 - A good solid four quarter effort from Leon, who worked hard all night. Showed some spark and played his role well. Good evening.
Shane Woewodin: 8/10 - Couragous, hard running performance from Woey, who won the ball well all night. Stood up in the clinches and really made an effort.
Ryan Lonie: 6/10 - Very good all night. He has finally shown some of his 2001 form where he took the competiton by storm, and is well on the way to regainig his best form.
Alan Didak: 1.5/10 - Very quiet end to the season for Dids.
Nathan Buckley: 7/10 - Very good all ngiht. Won nine first term touches before Banniter put the clamps on him. Should be pleased with his night - in which he spent the game in the midfield.
Brodie Holland: 5.5/10 - Coninued his fierce rivalry with Camporealre and nullifyed him well. Solid effort, as well as a nice running goal.
James Clement: 6.5/10 - Work has hard as ever and used the ball well. Fevola broke away from him late to seal the victory.
Shane O'Bree: 4/10 - Won a bit of the ball but didn't use it. Has an interesting few months coming up.
Richard Cole: 5/10 - Good effort all night, but was a little loose at times.
Scott Burns: 6.5/10 - Very good night. Work hard and scored a great running goal in the last. Set the example.
Paul Licuria: 9/10 - Best game fo0r the season for Licca. 35 possessions and a good job on Stevens mean best on ground. Wares his heart on his sleeve and the loss is not his fault.
Andrew Williams: 5.5/10 - Fought bravely and couragously all ngiht as the thrid tall forward. Marked well and goaled on occasions. Maybe he has saved his career from the chop, and could be that missing link that broke when Nick Davis left the club.
Chris Tarrant: 7/10 - Great effort by Tazza. He could have scored eight goals if not for inaccurate kicking. Marked well, led well and played like a star should. Good match.
Rhyce Shaw: 1/10 - It is unfair to judge him like that but spent too much time on the pine to get a fair run.
Tarkyn Lockyer: 3/10 - Quiet night for Tarkyn.
Josh Fraser: 6/10 - Worked hard but couldn't get into the game. Inury did not help but didn't stop battling.
Ben Johnson: 5/10 - Solid service in his 100th game. Ran hard and got out of trouble on occasions, but his anger boiled over.
Mark McGough: 1/10 - It is unfair to judge him like that but spent too much time on the pine to get a fair run.
Jason Cloke: 5/10 - Took some nice marks and did well in defence, but found life a struggle as a forward.
Dane Swan: 3.5/10 - Solid early but faded.
Tristan Walker: 5/10 - Good effort from Tex, who ends his season on a positive note, and will be akey in our future.
Julian Rowe: 2/10 - Very good early before mysteriously benched.
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Jonno was too fired up and got too angry. Maybe Bucks hsould have been a 6.
Handball. I HATE it!! In the centre, O'Bree, to Woey, back to O'B, now Licca chips 15 meters back to Lonie, who stops and props and passed 20 mteters back to Swan, who inturn handpasses back to Woewodin, who give to Burns who then bombs it long from the backline! Boy oh boy. Do we want to win? How does Tazza get his golas with that going on? Only Bucks and Burns kick long. Lica and Woey are ok, and Lnoie at time but O'Bree doies it far to often. And he isn't the only one. Just get it onto your boot and GO LONG FOR A CHANGE!!
We gave up the lead...again. At least Bucks was on the ball - thats a positive. Fraser was ok and I liked Lonies game. Williams showed courage and could be handy. MEMO MM: Once again, Clokey isn't a forward. But it hurts - a lot. At least the season from hell is over.
Handball. I HATE it!! In the centre, O'Bree, to Woey, back to O'B, now Licca chips 15 meters back to Lonie, who stops and props and passed 20 mteters back to Swan, who inturn handpasses back to Woewodin, who give to Burns who then bombs it long from the backline! Boy oh boy. Do we want to win? How does Tazza get his golas with that going on? Only Bucks and Burns kick long. Lica and Woey are ok, and Lnoie at time but O'Bree doies it far to often. And he isn't the only one. Just get it onto your boot and GO LONG FOR A CHANGE!!
We gave up the lead...again. At least Bucks was on the ball - thats a positive. Fraser was ok and I liked Lonies game. Williams showed courage and could be handy. MEMO MM: Once again, Clokey isn't a forward. But it hurts - a lot. At least the season from hell is over.
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I reckon the most dissapointing game of the year. The game was there to be won, but the guys just didnt have it in them! (For the second time this year v the Blues).It just gives Carlton the edge next year. Pagan has outcoached Malthouse twice this year, with a much less talented team....thats a big worry for us.
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Quiet he got like 18 touches or something think you're a bit harsh on the boy. I didn't think that was too bad a performance, I think woewodin has slotted into the backline very nicely and give us an extra touch of class. If we can trade well and draft well I think we'll be back up the top next year.Johnson#26 wrote: Alan Didak: 1.5/10 - Very quiet end to the season for Dids.
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Woewodin racked up the ball but his opponent was Kouta who was one of their most damaging players in the game.
One game shouldnt save Andrew Williams. Trade him along with Holland. Woewodin (what he is reported to earn is way too much).
Goodbye Obree, McKee, Lokan.
BE RUTHLESS EDDIE.
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One game shouldnt save Andrew Williams. Trade him along with Holland. Woewodin (what he is reported to earn is way too much).
Goodbye Obree, McKee, Lokan.
BE RUTHLESS EDDIE.
jlc
The Torres bounce is officially dead. You are walking alone now Fernando.
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Maybe. But I didn't think he did all that much.grims wrote:Quiet he got like 18 touches or something 0think you're a bit harsh on the boy. I didn't think that was too bad a performance, I think woewodin has slotted into the backline very nicely and give us an extra touch of class. If we can trade well and draft well I think we'll be back up the top next year.Johnson#26 wrote: Alan Didak: 1.5/10 - Very quiet end to the season for Dids.
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Well said, a very honest appraisal that others should take heed of. The most poignant point there is in regards to your 'off-field staff'. There is something greatly amiss with that lot and heads need to roll. Once that issue is ironed out, then they will make the changes to the playing group you need.sq3 wrote:Nothing will happen on the field until Eddie and the board get the correct off field staff in place that know what they are doing.
Skills - piss weak. We cannot have a team with Lica, BJ, OB, MCG, Cole, Presti on the field. Their collective skills are weak and the Blues have far better skilled players - and they shit. Power showed how great the skill deficiency is between a Top 4 side and the Pies.
Conditioning - disastrous. This has been an extremely poorly conditioned team since the pre season and MM blames the Xmas period - Crap. Quinn got told by Sheeds after round 3 that they couldn't run out games - it took them 4 weeks and they rectified it. Buttifant is not in the same class as Quinn - we need to upgrade to better than Quinn.
Strength - a joke. We were meant to be stronger after the incorrect pre season strategy (more like a tragedy) and that has also shown to be incorrect. Another cross for Mr Buttifant - who should be looking after rehab and warm up and warm down.
Team Plan - did anyone find it this year because it would appear that the players couldn't locate it more than 3 times during the whole season.
Pies off field are a joke and as much as I hate Aker he was 100% spot on with his comments about the Pies being soft - in skills, body and heart.
Wasted season - fix up the off field staff or be prepared for more depths of the AFL table.
I am really starting to wonder about Malthouse's ability to get the best out of the players, he seems far too intent on talking about aliens & buddhist philosphy. Should he be given the punt ?? Probably !! Will he though ?? Doubt it very much, especially whilst Fast Eddie McChins is at the helm - he loves him !!
Therein might be the problem overall, Eddie & his blinded loyalty towards Malthouse. If a change of coach was deemed appropriate, it is hard to believe that McGuire will be sanctioning it.
It's a conundrum that the Pies faithful will have to sort out over the off season.
By the way, thanks for Heath Scotland, he's a terrific player, can't understand why you let him go, especially after what happened last night. If you can't find room for McGough in your best 22, then send him over to Princes Park, we'll find a spot for him.
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