The fact is though no matter which way you look at it its not a level playing field. Imagine the outcry if we had an extra $600,000 in our salary cap. Every club should have the same salary cap and then there would be no debate.
As for the game we are not going to win many if Woewodin is one of our four players at the centre bounces. Woewodin is not an in and under midfielder. McGough had to play on the weekend and that was a big mistake.
It is also very rare when we play Brisbane and have a fully fit Rocca and Tarrant playing. In fact the last time that happened we actually beat them. Most of the other times one or both are injured or out through suspension. This means that Leppitsch gets a shit player and does not have to be accountable and is basically a loose player in defence and is made to look like a susperstar. Bradshaw also then has the luxury to play up forward.
The wheel will turn sooner or later no matter how hard the AFL will try and stop this and when it does happen all the dead beat bandwagon Fitzroy supporters will drop off again.
jlc
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Big T
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Horses for courses my ass. Spojar - the only point I would add against your argument is that the cost of living up here in Banana Land is significantly lower than Sydney and Melbourne and as such the $600,000k is really about $700,000. In addition if it is for "player retention" then how can they trade for Blake Caracella and make minimal attempts to draft local players? However I do agree with you that we should be focusing on our own clubs performance and not worry about others at the moment. Also Sydney's cost of living is ridiculous and their $600,000 is easily justified.
But at the end of the day, when you drive around Brisbane and country SE Qld areas you see more Aussie Rules teams than Rugby now and we have the Lions and the AFL to thank for that.
Regarding the game, good to see Lonie turning into a forward, probably needs more aggression to really make his mark but with his kcking that's where he should be. Hopefully McKee has a great finish to the season so we have an inform tall to trade. Hope McG gets a game or he'll probably fly the coupe. 1 good game from Rhyse, are there 6 to go? Surely Shack and McG this week, bye bye O'Bree. Although we need to play players who might be tradable to get some games and form up prior to trade week.
But at the end of the day, when you drive around Brisbane and country SE Qld areas you see more Aussie Rules teams than Rugby now and we have the Lions and the AFL to thank for that.
Regarding the game, good to see Lonie turning into a forward, probably needs more aggression to really make his mark but with his kcking that's where he should be. Hopefully McKee has a great finish to the season so we have an inform tall to trade. Hope McG gets a game or he'll probably fly the coupe. 1 good game from Rhyse, are there 6 to go? Surely Shack and McG this week, bye bye O'Bree. Although we need to play players who might be tradable to get some games and form up prior to trade week.
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fully agree, bye bye Obes !
he has continually been pathetic this year and will not be here next year.
give all the youngsters a game who have been in the system for the past couple of years and find out who wants to stay !
although I believe if we had of played any other team apart from the lions on sat night we probably would have got over the line. We were tough and hard in the first half but couldn't sustain it against the toughest team going around.
he has continually been pathetic this year and will not be here next year.
give all the youngsters a game who have been in the system for the past couple of years and find out who wants to stay !
although I believe if we had of played any other team apart from the lions on sat night we probably would have got over the line. We were tough and hard in the first half but couldn't sustain it against the toughest team going around.
Daicos....in 200 years time they'll still be wondering how he did it!
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excuses
You are spot on Spoljar. The main whinging is starting at the top with Ed and MM. Sounds like a cop out to me.
The fact is they are better. Simple as that. In every area, but mainly technology. When we find new tricks, they have been doing it for 3 years. EG. hypoxicators.
Thats why they are better. In the next 6 or 7 years they will still win another 3 or 4, and then we will just have to find more excuses wont we Ed?
If you want to impress me Eddie, go and buy those employed by Brisbane that are on the cutiing edge of technology. Quite frankly, the excuses are embarrassing.
The fact is they are better. Simple as that. In every area, but mainly technology. When we find new tricks, they have been doing it for 3 years. EG. hypoxicators.
Thats why they are better. In the next 6 or 7 years they will still win another 3 or 4, and then we will just have to find more excuses wont we Ed?
If you want to impress me Eddie, go and buy those employed by Brisbane that are on the cutiing edge of technology. Quite frankly, the excuses are embarrassing.
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On SEN, Garry Lyon and Co. were speaking to Rob McKewan on the Tour de France who mentioned that "Victor" the Lions Physio was on tour with them to pick up some "tips" on conditioning and recovery etc. for cyclists.
They spoke to Victor also who wanted to know how the Lions were going in his absense.
I'll bet that's not all he'll pick up.
They spoke to Victor also who wanted to know how the Lions were going in his absense.
I'll bet that's not all he'll pick up.
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Donny, if you read between the lines, I come to the conclusion that we knew we should have won IT last year, particularly after keeping them to 7 goals in the QF, and i still don't know how we beat them. The opportunity was PISSED AWAY and it looks like the climb back to the top of the mountain is too hard for most players.MAGFAN8 wrote:Sick and tired reading this rubbish about Brisbane in here. Lions' fans must laugh their heads off if/when any read it.
On their day Voss, Black, Lappin, Acne and Power are too skilled, too strong and too smart for every other mid-field in the competition, and God knows how many more seasons this will last. With the passing of time they will eventually sucumb to injury like all players, then the wheel will begin it's slow turn again....
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No doubt Brisbane got to the top on their own. Great coaching, drafting, merdical staff, etc, etc.. But as you list improves, some players want more money. It becomes VERY difficult to retain everyone because of the salary cap. When you have an extra $600K, retaining players becomes that much easier.
Say there are 5 players you cant convince to stay on for premiership glory rather than money. Brisbane can pay them an extar $50K each and still be well under the cap. Anyone else would have to get rid of a player or 2 to remain under the cap.
They got to the top on their own but there is absolutely no doubt that the $600K helps them stay there. Of course it isnt the only thing that keeps them there, but it is a major component.
Say there are 5 players you cant convince to stay on for premiership glory rather than money. Brisbane can pay them an extar $50K each and still be well under the cap. Anyone else would have to get rid of a player or 2 to remain under the cap.
They got to the top on their own but there is absolutely no doubt that the $600K helps them stay there. Of course it isnt the only thing that keeps them there, but it is a major component.
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The AFL needs to stop teams from selling their home games as well. Imagine if we had bought home games off poorer teams and played an extra few games at Vic Park when that was our home. Im sure everyone would be crying poor.
As for the salary cap it certainly makes a difference as it allows them to keep their team together. If it doesnt make a difference well there is no reason for them to have it then is there.
My main gripe with Eddie is that he thinks its his job to run the AFL and help the shit kicker clubs. He should get back to worrying about us and us only. If we have extra money well give some if back to the members as opposed to helping out other clubs.
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As for the salary cap it certainly makes a difference as it allows them to keep their team together. If it doesnt make a difference well there is no reason for them to have it then is there.
My main gripe with Eddie is that he thinks its his job to run the AFL and help the shit kicker clubs. He should get back to worrying about us and us only. If we have extra money well give some if back to the members as opposed to helping out other clubs.
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Grrrr....
Too many of our guys didn't put in after half time. O'Bree needs a spell at Willi, as does Dane Swan and maybe even Licca. Good job Shawry. I was against him being traded because I knew there was life in him yet, he just needed to have some faith shown in him by MM.
Lonie was great up forward but then I am biased, love the man. Rocca has done stuff all lately, I agree with whoever said don't play him if he's injured, in principle that is. In practice, we just don't have the stocks to cover his loss at the moment. With Taz, Dids, Wakes, and both Clokes sitting on the sidelines, we are going to need every last man we can get. Start playing Shacks, for godsakes!
Too many of our guys didn't put in after half time. O'Bree needs a spell at Willi, as does Dane Swan and maybe even Licca. Good job Shawry. I was against him being traded because I knew there was life in him yet, he just needed to have some faith shown in him by MM.
Lonie was great up forward but then I am biased, love the man. Rocca has done stuff all lately, I agree with whoever said don't play him if he's injured, in principle that is. In practice, we just don't have the stocks to cover his loss at the moment. With Taz, Dids, Wakes, and both Clokes sitting on the sidelines, we are going to need every last man we can get. Start playing Shacks, for godsakes!
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C'mon Lones37, Eddie sees it as his responsibility to push the issues of the Collingwood Football Club first and foremost and that has seen the club turn into a financial powerhouse, which he has used to gain the best training facilities in the land. What more can he do? At least he has the balls to say what he believes is right and says what most other presidents think.
By the way, do you honestly believe that the Lions President is responsible for hypoxicators and any of the other dribble you mentioned? No, he is responsible for massive fines and lost revenue this year. Have a go at the coaching and conditioning staff for those issues mate, not Ed. At least Ed is putting money back into the community and into junior and country football development unlike the Lions who only put $100 per year into the QAFL up here - now that is a joke.
By the way, do you honestly believe that the Lions President is responsible for hypoxicators and any of the other dribble you mentioned? No, he is responsible for massive fines and lost revenue this year. Have a go at the coaching and conditioning staff for those issues mate, not Ed. At least Ed is putting money back into the community and into junior and country football development unlike the Lions who only put $100 per year into the QAFL up here - now that is a joke.
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Well Big T, who is responsible for employing these people who are the best around? I assume the President does, or the coach asks him too go find these people. Why doesnt our coach or president do this?
He lured Butters from North in 2001, now its time to find people who are better in the technology area. Unless of course you dont mind being the bridesmaid all the time.
He lured Butters from North in 2001, now its time to find people who are better in the technology area. Unless of course you dont mind being the bridesmaid all the time.
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Gee, I thought that's what Ed was doing Lones, ie The Lexus centre, merging with the Victorian Institute of Sport, numerous other massive long term steps forward. I agree with what you are saying however I believe you are overlooking the fact that Ed has already done that and the move to Olympic Park is his vehicle to success over the longer term. Name one other President who has been as proactive for doing exactly what you are talking about?
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