Biden presidency and 2024 election campaign

[What'sinaname]

Reasons why Harris got smashed:

1. She relied on the elite (millionaire actors and singers) and these same millionaire think people care about their views on politics.
2. She is a phoney. She was inconsistent on messaging around Israel / Gaza and on fracking.
3. She lied about Biden's mental acuity right until she stabbed him in the front
4. Walz was a bad choice. It started with criticism abut his service and ended with his making non sensical football tweets
5. She embodies everything that isn't America. America is the land of opportunity, where you can start with nothing and become whatever you want. She is all about equity - that's NOT what America is. People don't want equity - even immigrants who flee communist regimes.
6. She campaigned as if the republicans were in office and electing her would be the turning of the page.
7. She refused to divest from Biden - even saying she was the deciding vote in most of Biden's decisions. Everyone knew she was just Biden 2.0 which meant stop promising to do things and just do them - you are in power already.

[What'sinaname]

I took 20/1 for Harris to get between 240-269 ECV.

Can she make it??

No chance at all. She's at 224 plus Maine (2).

Trump has 292 and will win Alaska (3), Nevada (6) and very likely, Arizona (11).

The best Harris can get to is 237. She has no chance with Alaska and Nevada.

[slangman]

Now the entire world needs to strap on the seat belts, because the ride from here is going to be like riding an earthquake.

Stop with the overreaction.

Russia/Ukraine
Gaza
China/Taiwan
Iran funding terrorists

The “earthquake” began long before yesterday. You don’t have to like Trump but calling him a fascist is just ridiculous and highlights your lack of understanding of the word.

FWIW, although Trump isn’t the best candidate America has, he was always a better choice than Harris (that says more about Harris than Trump).
The Democrats unfortunately settled on the worst possible candidate when they could’ve selected someone as well credentialed as Tulsi Gabbard who would’ve have been a greater chance of beating Trump as she could actually string a sentence together without using an autocue.

Hopefully Trumps first actions are aimed at resolving the situations in both Ukraine and Gaza to at least stops the guns.

[What'sinaname]

Now the entire world needs to strap on the seat belts, because the ride from here is going to be like riding an earthquake.

Stop with the overreaction.

The “earthquake” began long before yesterday. You don’t have to like Trump but calling him a fascist is just ridiculous and highlights your lack of understanding of the word.

Technically, a magnitude 1 earthquake is still an earthquake, and maybe Magpietothemax just wants to be overly cautious with the seatbelt. They may even be the type of person to wear a mask when driving alone in a car

[What'sinaname]

The world seems just a smidge less woke this morning.

And, who has to certify the election result on inauguration day?

[Pies4shaw]

Trump’s claim of election fraud was obviously and transparently fake and self-serving – but you know what? The country effectively endorsed his version of events yesterday by voting him back in. The majority of people who voted either believe him or don’t care whether he was telling the truth. That’s pretty extraordinary when you think about it.

It's the economy. Rampant inflation means expensive ice-cream. Expensive ice-cream means you whack the incumbents, whoever they are. This was vengeance for reduced buying power, not a referendum vote in favour of neo-fascism.

Mind you, putting up a black woman for President was tilting at identity-politics windmills and allowing transgender rights to be a major campaign issue - as if that might be an issue most voters actually gave a sh!t about - was reasonably stupid. The Democrat campaign was right up there for hubris with recruiting Adam Treloar and thinking that might help your team win anything.

Ultimately my pre-vote take, which was "The Democrats are right-wing idiots but at least they're not neo-fascists" is just replaced with "The Democrats are right-wing idiots whose stupidity enables neo-fascists".

[nomadjack]

Reasons why Harris got smashed:

5. She embodies everything that isn't America. America is the land of opportunity, where you can start with nothing and become whatever you want. She is all about equity - that's NOT what America is. People don't want equity - even immigrants who flee communist regimes.

Actually don't disagree with a number of the points you raise here, but this one fascinates me. A serious question - what do you understand 'equity' to mean?

[Jezza]

Trump wins Michigan (15)

Harris 223-291 Trump

[Jezza]

States yet to be called.

Nevada (90%)
• Harris 46.7 - 51.5 Trump

Maine (90%)
• Harris 53.0 - 44.5 Trump

Alaska (71%)
• Harris 40.4 - 55.6 Trump

Arizona (63%)
• Harris 47.2 - 51.9 Trump

[stui magpie]

This article gives, in my view, a fascinating insight into how 2 people managed to control a campaign ( and most of the time the candidate) to get a man who by all reason should have been unelectable to not only win the election but most likely the popular vote

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/06/poli ... index.html

They actually increased his vote with young people, black and hispanics and turned lots of people who should have been Democrat heartland.

It's almost a blueprint.

[David]

Reasons why Harris got smashed:

5. She embodies everything that isn't America. America is the land of opportunity, where you can start with nothing and become whatever you want. She is all about equity - that's NOT what America is. People don't want equity - even immigrants who flee communist regimes.

Actually don't disagree with a number of the points you raise here, but this one fascinates me. A serious question - what do you understand 'equity' to mean?

Same; that’s the one that stuck out to me too. Otherwise little to disagree with in WIAN’s post, though part of Harris’s loss was clearly not just about her but also that Trump was seen to have a more promising and transformative vision for the country – as hard as that might be for the rest of us to believe.

[What'sinaname]

Actually don't disagree with a number of the points you raise here, but this one fascinates me. A serious question - what do you understand 'equity' to mean?

It's Harris' definition. She defines equality is treating everyone equally - giving them the same. Equity is recognising people start at different places, so you give more to the more disadvantaged so every end up in an equitable, i.e. the same place.

[Jezza]

Actually don't disagree with a number of the points you raise here, but this one fascinates me. A serious question - what do you understand 'equity' to mean?

It's Harris' definition. She defines equality is treating everyone equally - giving them the same. Equity is recognising people start at different places, so you give more to the more disadvantaged so every end up in an equitable, i.e. the same place.

In other words, equality of outcome.

[Jezza]

Tim Walz reminded me so much of Tim Kaine (Hillary's running mate), it was eerie. In hindsight, Harris probably would have been better going with Josh Shapiro, Pennsylvania's governor, as her running mate.

A lot of people were skeptical about Trump choosing Vance, but it worked especially once he was exposed to the country through the VP debate and going on various media platforms (mainstream and online). The insults of calling him "weird" fell flat.

There's a compelling argument to say Harris wouldn't have been the nominee if a normal Democratic primary process was held. She bombed out in 2019, so it was hard to believe she could resonate across the country. It was also insulting to voters to depict themselves as the "defenders of democracy", when their original nominee and incumbent was removed in essentially a midnight coup and they parachuted her in as the nominee.

Looking at the CNN exit poll, the biggest issues of concern for Harris voters were democracy and abortion, which just seemed like ineffective issues to campaign on when the economy was consistently cited as the number one concern for voters. Trump performed well with voters concerned about the economy, illegal immigration and foreign policy.

[Jezza]

Harris wins Maine (2) and Maine CD-1 (1)

Trump wins Maine CD-2 (1)

Harris 226-292 Trump