Umpiring rants ~ receive our scorn

[David]

I want to be consistent on this stuff rather than one-eyed, and the fact is I thought a 50m penalty against McCreery and Sidebottom in the North game would have been overly technical and officious – so I can hardly turn around and bemoan McStay getting the same treatment. In such situations, the umpire should blow the whistle, immediately instruct the opponent to get back on the mark (perhaps giving the player with the ball a few seconds to run around and play on unimpeded), and then feel free to penalise any time-wasting after that with a 50. As it is, the game is played at speed, and players don't always know in a split second whether a mark has been paid, whether a marking player has played on, etc.; so it really ought to be up to the umpires to blow the whistle and give instruction, and the players to follow.

To be honest, I dislike the 50 metre penalty in principle, but if we must have it I'd prefer it to be paid for clear violations – not mere technicalities.

[Mr Miyagi]

Good grief can any reporter do their job properly and report accurately anymore? Seven tonight quoting Fly saying the 50m was a circus — no, he said that the deliberates were a circus!!! FMS

[lazzadesilva]

Good grief can any reporter do their job properly and report accurately anymore? Seven tonight quoting Fly saying the 50m was a circus — no, he said that the deliberates were a circus!!! FMS

The hack journo clowns may as well join the circus they crave for. Now do Nicksters believe what I have been saying for years, the footy so called journos are among the worst of their profession. Always have been with the exception of a few such as Peter MacFarlane and Alf Brown.

[Mr Miyagi]

Good grief can any reporter do their job properly and report accurately anymore? Seven tonight quoting Fly saying the 50m was a circus — no, he said that the deliberates were a circus!!! FMS

The hack journo clowns may as well join the circus they crave for. Now do Nicksters believe what I have been saying for years, the footy so called journos are among the worst of their profession. Always have been with the exception of a few such as Peter MacFarlane and Alf Brown.

Gotta look hard for good TV reporting these days

[Mr Miyagi]

Leigh Montagna and David King floating a conspiracy theory AFL/umpires deliberately treating us differently because of the way we forced stoppages 2022-23. Hence the deliberate out of bounds calls vs Sydney and other contentious calls throughout this year. If true, this is a monumental bias and stitch up.

[Magpie Russ]

From AFL website.. I assume it is ok to post here...

SYDNEY coach John Longmire has lambasted Craig McRae's comments about home-ground advantage, labelling them "an extraordinary admission" from the Collingwood coach.

"It was an extraordinary admission from a coach of a team that has the biggest home ground advantage in the AFL," Longmire said.

"This year they play 14 games at the MCG, they play three at Marvel, that's 17 games essentially in front of their home crowd and they play finals and the Grand Final on their home deck."

After Brisbane lost last year's Grand Final to Collingwood at the MCG amid some late umpiring controversy, Longmire added: "I wonder what Chris Fagan (Brisbane coach) thought of those comments. That was my initial thought, what Chris Fagan thinks of this.

"I was at a North Melbourne-Collingwood game this year when a couple Collingwood boys went over the mark and it could have been a fifty and it wasn't paid.

"From the coach of the team with the biggest home ground advantage including finals."

[derkd]

I want to be consistent on this stuff rather than one-eyed, and the fact is I thought a 50m penalty against McCreery and Sidebottom in the North game would have been overly technical and officious – so I can hardly turn around and bemoan McStay getting the same treatment. In such situations, the umpire should blow the whistle, immediately instruct the opponent to get back on the mark (perhaps giving the player with the ball a few seconds to run around and play on unimpeded), and then feel free to penalise any time-wasting after that with a 50. As it is, the game is played at speed, and players don't always know in a split second whether a mark has been paid, whether a marking player has played on, etc.; so it really ought to be up to the umpires to blow the whistle and give instruction, and the players to follow.

To be honest, I dislike the 50 metre penalty in principle, but if we must have it I'd prefer it to be paid for clear violations – not mere technicalities.

I agree one-hundred percent with you, but many on here only want the 'one eyed' view.

Attacking umpires is easy pray, explaining why our side has been consistently giving up big leads in final quaters is much harder.

Umpires are not perfect, and yes, the umpiring call in the Sydney game can be questioned, and they review all matches, the umpires are only interpreting the rules as handed down by the AFL.

But I can tell you this, I umpire at local level, and it is a extraordinary difficult job, you have split seconds to make a call, that one team will hate and one team will love. No matter what you do you will get a ton of abuse, and I have come close to walking away.

I would encourage people on here to get out and give it a go, and see if you still want to slam umpires and call them 'cheats' or whatever other disgusting names some come up with.

One reason i don't normally comment on this thread is because I know a fair number of the AFL umpires and they are by and large a great group doing a very hard job.

And if it was not for them, we wouldn't have the AFL. Or feeder city/country league football. So just check your rage sometimes people.

As David says, if it wasn't for an overlooked 50m penalty we wouldn't have won the North game, people are quick to forget the ones we 'win'.

[Mr Miyagi]

Longmire can get stuffed, how often do we play them in Melbourne! The deliberate out of bounds calls were a circus and home crowds absolutely affect umpiring decisions

[Gerry Cooper]

Leigh Montagna and David King floating a conspiracy theory AFL/umpires deliberately treating us differently because of the way we forced stoppages 2022-23. Hence the deliberate out of bounds calls vs Sydney and other contentious calls throughout this year. If true, this is a monumental bias and stitch up.

That sounds about right, though calling it a conspiracy is too dramatic. It wouldn't surprise me that they are cracking down on that. its quite possibly the AFL rules crew and umpiring departments see those tactics, which we regard as part of McRae's "playing the minutes", as gaming the rules. Thus the various attempts to cut down on time wasting. As usual though the incompetent yellow umpires take it too far and we end up with the debacle on Friday night, particularly in the last quarter when we were trying to save the game. Is that bias? Yes and no. We can only hope that it is applied to any team employing such tactics.

I would also expect too, that other clubs have been in the AFL's ear about those tactics too.

[David]

So McRae’s saying “home ground umpiring advantage is a thing” and Longmire is saying “screw you, look at how much home ground advantage your team gets”. It’s not exactly a substantive argument, just same old Sydney Swans having a massive chip on their shoulder routine.

[Haff]

Horse can pipe down. I actually think all Fly was saying is that the home ground advantage impacts on decisions, 80k screaming for a 50 introduces bias.

[shawthing]

The fact is the MCG is no one's home ground. It's like the town bike. Everyone rides it. Even Geelong plays at least half a dozen games at the G. But they still get their 11 at Kardinia Park.

On the umpiring I think we need to go back to two field umpires. The four keep getting in each other's way and it waters down their ability to interpret the rules.

[AnthonyC]

"Extraordinary" apparently.

What I think a number of people aren't commenting on is that it's "extraordinary" that one coach would comment on another coach's comments.

[Mr Miyagi]

Leigh Montagna and David King floating a conspiracy theory AFL/umpires deliberately treating us differently because of the way we forced stoppages 2022-23. Hence the deliberate out of bounds calls vs Sydney and other contentious calls throughout this year. If true, this is a monumental bias and stitch up.

That sounds about right, though calling it a conspiracy is too dramatic. It wouldn't surprise me that they are cracking down on that. its quite possibly the AFL rules crew and umpiring departments see those tactics, which we regard as part of McRae's "playing the minutes", as gaming the rules. Thus the various attempts to cut down on time wasting. As usual though the incompetent yellow umpires take it too far and we end up with the debacle on Friday night, particularly in the last quarter when we were trying to save the game. Is that bias? Yes and no. We can only hope that it is applied to any team employing such tactics.

I would also expect too, that other clubs have been in the AFL's ear about those tactics too.

Yeah I was quoting King who used conspiracy. It’s always us the AFL cracks down on. Hands in the back (Jimmy Clement), ruck rule changes, centre square changes, kick outs, you name it. Hawthorn’s small fowards are rorting the head high contact rule, and Sam Mitchell is hailed a genius — compare to how Ginni was treated with us last year. Geelong chicken wing tackles. But if we skirt the rules, they go overboard and ping us for everything even when most of those deliberate calls were bullsh-t. I’m over it, wish the club had gone harder — especially over the illegal holds on N Daicos.

The AFL can get stuffed, and they can tell Longmire to get stuffed too. He came out the loser today, what a effing sook given the home games they get at their shithole of a non-footy ground. We were stitched up vs Sydney, blatantly, and I’m disappointed Fly bent over for the bullies.

[Piesnchess]

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