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Tradeable or keep Crisp Elliot if we get good value
Keep Mitchell to help Naics, Checkers for culture and forward development, Cox backup ruck
Trade or delist Hoskin Elliot he is taking up space for a youngster
Time to go as all time champions Sidey Howe even though they are still in our best, I can’t see a point when we are clearly moving into rebuild mode
Keep as on field coach for the youngsters for 12 months Pendles even if that’s in the magoos as times. He is too important if we go with youth.
The list has been bugging me for a while this season so thought I would have a look at the original draft position of each of our players. Give us another perspective on the "moneyball" approach to our list.
Using Jezza's format.
- Name
- Age
- Year of Draft
- Type of Draft
- Draft Position
Apologies if I have missed someone.
National Draft Top 10.
Daicos, Nick [21] 2021 National 4
Hoskin-Elliott, Will [30] 2011 National 4
De Goey, Jordan [28] 2014 National 5
Pendlebury, Scott [36] 2005 National 5
Moore, Darcy [28] 2014 National 9
National Draft Top 11-20.
Sidebottom, Steele [33] 2008 National 11
Quaynor, Isaac [24] 2018 National 13
Allan, Edward [20] 2022 National 19
Macrae, Finlay [22] 2020 National 19
National Draft Top 21-30.
Mitchell, Tom [31] 2011 National 21
McInnes, Reef [21] 2020 National 23
Hill, Bobby [24] 2018 National 24
Demattia, Harry [18] 2023 National 25
[listz]McStay, Daniel [29] 2013 National 25[/list]
Ryan, Jakob [19] 2022 National 28
Lipinski, Patrick [26] 2016 National 28
Crisp, Jack [30] 2022 National 28
Maynard, Brayden [27] 2014 National 30
National Draft Top 31-40.
Howe, Jeremy [34] 2010 National 33
Jiath, Tew [19] 2023 National 37
Eyre, Josh R [21] 2020 National 39
National Draft Top 41-50.
Bytel, Jack R [24] 2018 National 41
McCreery, Beau [23] 2020 National 44
Richards, Joe [24] 2022 National 48
Cameron, Darcy [29] 2016 National 48
National Draft Top 50+.
Markov, Oleg [28] 2015 National 50
Harrison, Harvey [20] 2021 National 52
Daicos, Josh [25] 2016 National 57
Schultz, Lachlan [26] 2018 National 57
Frampton, Billy [27] 2014 National 84
Now players that were taken outside of the National Draft
What that list says, amongst a number of observations, is that Collingwood have so many less top ten draft picks than Essendon and Carlton ( and others), it defies logic how other clubs could be so poor for so long.
The explanation is simple. Early draft picks is only one piece of the puzzle required to win a flag. Premierships are the sum of all parts and early draft picks alone stand for little if your coaching, sports science team, development team and key administrators aren’t all on top of their games either. Obviously our list is in need of an overhaul but that same list were all putting lines through now, delivered us a flag less than 12 months ago. Maybe our drafting and list management could have been better planned for the next couple years, but as a package, Collingwood has proven it does it better than most ( eleven prelims in 21 years )
Gary Player “ the harder I practice, the luckier I get “
Yesterday we fielded the oldest team by average age for the round and where truly smashed across the ground
What that list says to me is we need to do a complete clean out suffer some pain now and hope we don’t completely bottom out
Storm uses the next man up ethos ie. whoever comes in can do the job.
Bellamy trains his players to play the Storm system and has a knack of improving players that struggled at other clubs.
Collingwood has tried the next man up way but it hasn't worked out this season.
If you are foolish enough to be contented, don't show it, but just grumble with the rest. - Jerome K Jerome
Dark Beanie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:19 pm
Storm uses the next man up ethos ie. whoever comes in can do the job.
Bellamy trains his players to play the Storm system and has a knack of improving players that struggled at other clubs.
Collingwood has tried the next man up way but it hasn't worked out this season.
They find players who they believe can improve under their system.
They move players on, good players at that, for salary cap issues or for the benefit of the club in general.
There is a large move on factor not just at the Storm but in the NRL in general.
Last edited by masoncox on Sun Jul 21, 2024 1:38 pm, edited 1 time in total.
To make that call last year... that would have been courageous and shown the foresight of a football sage. Which by all reports Wright is.
Who after winning a flag can have a cold hard look at their list and says - we cannot win back to back, we lack genuine young talent, to replace aging champions, that a cliff looms.
How that would have been sold to our membership...
We are prepared to hear it now.
But from what we have heard from Kelly and Browne, apart from hubris, was - we don't go to the the draft, we don't bottom out - free agency and trading (you need draft picks to trade btw) if our formula to success. 'I speak to Wright most weeks' - Browne... who will look after list management and this new success strategy if Wright does not return? 'Me, I know a bit about player management' - Kelly.
What works for Sydney and Geelong works because of where they are situated and who is runs that strategy. You have a team that gets Cameron, trades in Bowes + Pick 5, gets Henry for a 2nd round pick... it takes certain nous and type of 'card player'. Not some makeshift plan while of head of football is on a sabbatical.
Yes as a club we need to move out veterans but it’s not as easy as you think. Not much happening in the VFL to push veterans aside. There are quite a few players in the AFL out of form to over 30 but who is pushing them out?
Personally I would put the likes of JDG and others in need of rest to pasture for 2024 and for the last 5 games play all of Fin, Ed Allen, Sullivan, Richards, Dean (when back from concussion), give Harry a debut and just see what they can accomplish.
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