Pre-Match: PIES vs Wet Toast - All comments here

surfer1 · Post by **surfer1** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 7:59 am

anyone got a suggested lineup for Friday?

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 8:38 am

Suggested line up for Friday night

B: Lockyer Clement Lokan

HB: Johnson Wakelin Lonie

C: Cole Licuria Woewodin

HF: Fraser Tarrant Didak

F: Swan Rocca C.Cloke

Foll: Richards McGough Burns

Inter: Prestigiacomo R. Shaw J.Cloke Davis

Emerg: Maxwell B.Shaw Rowe

In: Prestigiacomo
Out: Maxwell

Should Buckley be available to play, he'll come into the team and Davis would be the one I drop back to the seconds.

Key Matchups:

For Collingwood to Watch
Matera v Clement
Judd v Lokan
Cousins v Licuria
Embley v Lonie
Fletcher v Woewodin
Kerr v Lockyer

For West Coast to Watch
Rocca v Lynch
Tarrant v Glass
Fraser v Gaspar
Didak v Wirrupunda
Johnson v Braun

Master Pieman · Post by **Master Pieman** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 8:46 am

magpies r going 2 kick but aginst the wet toast weavles

shackleton · Post by **shackleton** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 9:23 am

If we can come out 50/50 in the centre i think we will win big.

And im gonna have to miss the game, i tried convincing my brother to change his birthdate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sherrife · Post by **sherrife** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 10:39 am

Can i ask why you think Presti will be back in the team??? There is no one for him to negate! If MM is consistent with his "horses for courses" there really is no way that Presti will be able to slot in the team. He may still be called up for a few matches where our defense will be stretched, but I think his time may nearly be up...

He has given us a few years of awesome service, but is too unversatile to have a permanent place in our squad.

surfer1 · Post by **surfer1** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 10:53 am

to Nath

my suggested team would be

Johnson Wakelin J Cloke

Lockyer Clement Cole

Lonie Burns Woey

Fraser Rocca Didak

Davis Tarrant C Cloke

Richards McGough Licuria

Inter Shaw Maxwell Swan Loken

I would leave Presti for another week he has had a very interupted season. if Buckley was back I would leave out Shaw

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 11:25 am

Guys, Presti is a lynch pin, he has his knockers but he does a good job. Why bring him back into the side? Well McDougall, Seaby, Staker and Cox are all likely to play forward at one time or another, with Cox likely to be the ruckman for the majority of the game with Seaby relieving and doing forward half duties.

Seaby is 200cm and weighs in at 95kg
Cox is 204cm and weighs in at 104kg
McDougall is 197cm and weighs in at 93kg
Staker is 196cm and weighs in at 89kg

That said, Presti is the tallest defender on our list, also equally as heavy as any others

Presti is 193cm and weighs in at 95kg
J.Cloke is 189cm and weighs in at 95kg
Jimmy is 190cm and weighs in at 95kg
Shags is 191cm and weighs in at 94kg
Agent 86 is 190cm and weighs in at 85kg

Now, not having a go, but wouldn't it be logical to have Presti on Cox or Seaby when they are resting in the pocket, as they will, because we'd have to assume Jimmy will go with Matera and Cole likely to get Sampi. That leaves Chambers, Staker, McDougall and the resting ruckmen in their forward 50. (on the proviso we don't go with the one on ones i nominated earlier) Chambers is a good match up for a Lonie or Johnson, Staker can be covered by C1, Shags likely to get McDougall. There is a right match up for Presti this week and considering that neither Seaby nor Cox are blistering speed he has the weight, height and ability to match them. Maxwell, no offence to the kid, I have been rapt with his past two games in the seniors and his ability to come along in the past 18 months, but he's too light on in terms of weight and height to play against one of these blokes. Hence my justification.....and big men don't get any smaller as they day gets longer.

surfer1 · Post by **surfer1** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 11:31 am

fair call nath

d9 tank · Post by **d9 tank** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 12:09 pm

Only thing to remember is Presti's form was terrible early this season after an interrupted pre-season. He really needs to be at full fitness to be effective.

Give him at least one week, if not two full games with the Gulls to just get back into the pace of the game. The backline has been good the last few weeks and in all seriousness those four talls you just named aren't really that much Nath, so I have confidence in our slightly shorter players to account for them. Its Matera and Sampi that will be the worries. Maxwell also deserves more game time, I like the look of him.

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 12:23 pm

d9, I'm completely with you. Maxwell looks great, he deserves another run, but I think Presti is the better option. Look his pre season might have been hampering him, but players seem to play bigger around him. He is a damn good defender, lets all just say that, and although beaten on occassion, its rare that he gets completely towelled.

That said, the guys I mentioned are just as dangerous as anyone else. Sampi and Matera in any other team are crumbing forwards, and crumbing forwards get their goals from big guys crasghing packs and I guarantee that the four big guys mentioned earlier will be instructed that if they can't mark that ball, then to put it on the deck and let the best small forward in the league (Matera) and Sampi do what they do best.

Joel · Post by **Joel** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 1:55 pm

Presti should not come back just yet, he needs to regain fitness in the VFL.

My suggested lineup:

B: Cole, Wakelin, Lokan
HB: Lonie, Clement, Johhno
C: Lockyer, McGough, Woewodin
HF: Didak, Rocca, Fraser
F: C. Cloke, Tarrant, Swan
Foll: Richards, Licuria, Burns

Inter: Davis, Shaw, J.Cloke, Maxwell

Emer: Presti, Nixon, Mullins

sherrife · Post by **sherrife** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 3:17 pm

Fair call Nath, I'm not sure if you were referring to me as a Presti knocker, but i'm faarrr from that. Firstly, I didn't have any real knowledge of the West Coast forward line so it was a fairly hasty comment from me to say he doesn't have a place this week.

However, i do believe that Wakelin is a better option then Presti for Seaby or Cox, whichever is in the forward line at the time. What he lacks in height he more than makes up for in strength and experience. Furthermore, Wakes provides rebound from defense and has the speed to follow a leading player.

Presti has shown that when he is fully fit, he can keep up with the slower forwards in the competition, when he is unfit (all this year) he has been getting completely towelled up. If we are taking the "youngsters" thing seroiusly, we should be playing Maxwell all year to get him some experience.

Presti can be used when neccessary ie. against Neitz, but young Maxwell's development should be put ahead of Presti trying to regain form. Basically, if Presti earns his spot in Williamstown, put him in, but do not give him priority over a youngster on past performances alone.

peter_pies4ever · Post by **peter_pies4ever** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 3:27 pm

Balmey mentioned the other day that Presti would probably play with Williamstown again this week. I think the team will be unchanged now that Licuria is free to play. Bucks should probably be given an extra week even if he his fit, because we have a 10 day break between this game and the Melbourne game.

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 3:58 pm

Sherrife, not calling you a Presti knocker at all mate, I read your posts with interest 90% of the time and can see that you put a great deal of thought into what you're saying. No knock on you, just the many that have come before you in the realms of the 'Lets Sledge Our Own'

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