Umpiring rants ~ receive our scorn

[RudeBoy]

The umpires gifted 3 goals to the Crows.

[Meredith1965]

Ginni had the ball behind him, between his ankles, he had zero chance to get it out. The umpiring was crap.

Doesn't matter. As soon as you dive for the ball, you HAVE to get rid of it. If you can't, even if you drop the football or someone else grabs it, you're done for HTB.

He did get rid of it. Taylor walker was holding it when the whistle went.

[Meredith1965]

The umpires gifted 3 goals to the Crows.

This is true. And the context, it was a superb win with several of our lesser light players, a greasy ball, an away deck, and a three goal handicap. One of the best wins of the year. Put IQ, JDG, TA and eventually Brodie Grundy in that side and it is capable of anything, especially with a double chance if we can get that.

[eddiesmith]

Ginni had the ball behind him, between his ankles, he had zero chance to get it out. The umpiring was crap.

Doesn't matter. As soon as you dive for the ball, you HAVE to get rid of it. If you can't, even if you drop the football or someone else grabs it, you're done for HTB.

But he had gotten rid of it, Walker was the only player in possession of the footy and he got the free kick, it was an absolutely shocking decision that was 100% incorrect.

[Haff]

IMO umpires were ok. Ginnivan drops for frees. They’ve changed the interpretation. Ginnivan has some great skills, I’d now love to see him stop dropping at the knees and show us that he is more than free kick attempting player.
The Cameron 50 was weak but he was not in the making contest. I suspect the AFL will tick it off.
The Ginnivan holding the ball. I think the rule is, if you dive on it, it must be cleared regardless of who has the ball. One could argue Tex should have been pinged for holding it in and making no attempt but never going to happen after Ginni dives on it. Didn’t like it but probably technically correct.
The sheparding free on Johnson looked like it was there. Hard to tell with the angle but it didn’t hurt us as we kicked one a few seconds later.
Frees were 22 each in a wet slog.

Umpires were not a factor.

[Meredith1965]

IMO umpires were ok. Ginnivan drops for frees. They’ve changed the interpretation. Ginnivan has some great skills, I’d now love to see him stop dropping at the knees and show us that he is more than free kick attempting player.
The Cameron 50 was weak but he was not in the making contest. I suspect the AFL will tick it off.
The Ginnivan holding the ball. I think the rule is, if you dive on it, it must be cleared regardless of who has the ball. One could argue Tex should have been pinged for holding it in and making no attempt but never going to happen after Ginni dives on it. Didn’t like it but probably technically correct.
The sheparding free on Johnson looked like it was there. Hard to tell with the angle but it didn’t hurt us as we kicked one a few seconds later.
Frees were 22 each in a wet slog.

Umpires were not a factor.

I don’t have any problem with the Ash Johnson block, which was crude and a reasonable interpretation. I would also resist paying frees to Ginnivan for necking because he ducks.

But…

The Cameron 50 was absurd, the kind of incidental contact ignored 49/50 times. As for the Ginnivan free, you have cleared it when it is out of your hands, between your ankles and in the hands of an opposition player who is trying not to dispose of it. Pendlebury knows the rules and standard interpretations after 350 games.

[DT]

Ok is the AFL carrying out its duty of care to players if it does not pay clear free kicks for high contact? Isn’t this giving carte blanche to tackling players not to worry about ripping someone’s head off? I wonder how that will play out if Ginnivan is seriously injured?

[David]

[Uncle Jack]

Ok is the AFL carrying out its duty of care to players if it does not pay clear free kicks for high contact? Isn’t this giving carte blanche to tackling players not to worry about ripping someone’s head off? I wonder how that will play out if Ginnivan is seriously injured?

+1

[qldmagpie67]

The umpires just need to umpire him the way they umpire everybody else. They're actually arseholes - it's a blight on the competition that opposition players are now allowed to attack him from all angles with impunity. The "head-high tackle moratorium" doesn't even begin to cover it. He is allowed to be scragged going for marks, pushed in the back, held when not in possession and lined up for phyiscal punishment that, if dished out to other players, would be reportable. It's time the Club started speaking abvout this publicly and without restraint. Imagine what Hardwick would do if players were suddenly allowed to play like this against Martin, or what Clarkson would do if players were suddenly allowed to play like this against Cyril Rioli. It's shameful and the people in charge of umpiring should actually be embarrassed about it.

100%
I’ll add there is clearly a preconceived notion he is never hit high instead of watching for actual contact points
That free paid against him for holding the ball in crows attacking 50 was a joke
Look at Walkers reaction after the goal he was laughing as the replay showed the ball went out from under Ginnivan he brought it back in and held it to his legs (ankles actually)
Then to top it off Pendles as captain was pinged for what ? He wasn’t demonstrative he simple asked for clarification
WB listed a litany of rule changes aimed directly at Collingwood players over the decades
Lastly watch the clearances closely each and every time Pendles jumper was held so he could get no momentum towards the ball and he wasn’t paid a single free
It’s really embarrassing what the game has become

[What'sinaname]

Ok is the AFL carrying out its duty of care to players if it does not pay clear free kicks for high contact? Isn’t this giving carte blanche to tackling players not to worry about ripping someone’s head off? I wonder how that will play out if Ginnivan is seriously injured?

Then AFL is doing the right thing by not paying frees to try to stop this kind of ducking behaviour. If the AFL is serious, it suspends players for ducking into a tackle.

[joemamone@gmail.com]

I do not believe that dropping your knees equates to ducking. There is a significant difference, even if the outcome is the same. Players are entitled, I would have thought, to adopt whatever tactic works to avoid being caught or stopped. Are the umpires/afl now to dictate the body position a player must adopt when attempting to win the ball or evade a tackle.

[September Zeros]

Strap yourselves in folks.

The crucifixion of jack Ginnivan will continue until he is knocked unconscious or retires from the game- a broken man.

In my time, I have seen the line drawn across the centre circle (in response to Peter Moore rucking against Gary Dempsey; 'The Gayfer Rule' which saw him umpired out of a job; the change to the number of allowable interchanges to negate Swanny's influence on games and now 'The Ginnivan Rule'.

This lad was denied a free kick (blatantly around the neck) and then a minute later, an Adelaide Crow player got a free for the same type of incident.

Im not sure if the umpiring was worse than the commentary (Kelli Underwood- "it would be heartbreaking to see the Crows lose...") not from lounge room, toots.

Get ready for some really shite umpiring against us as we near a potential finals spot.

You forgot the rule change to glove wearing for Travis Cloke and the McKee ruck rule changes that effectively ended his career.

We certainly seem to have a target on our backs. When ever we find an edge anywhere it is highlighted / slammed and quashed.

[1eyedpie]

Strap yourselves in folks.

The crucifixion of jack Ginnivan will continue until he is knocked unconscious or retires from the game- a broken man.

In my time, I have seen the line drawn across the centre circle (in response to Peter Moore rucking against Gary Dempsey; 'The Gayfer Rule' which saw him umpired out of a job; the change to the number of allowable interchanges to negate Swanny's influence on games and now 'The Ginnivan Rule'.

This lad was denied a free kick (blatantly around the neck) and then a minute later, an Adelaide Crow player got a free for the same type of incident.

Im not sure if the umpiring was worse than the commentary (Kelli Underwood- "it would be heartbreaking to see the Crows lose...") not from lounge room, toots.

Get ready for some really shite umpiring against us as we near a potential finals spot.

You forgot the rule change to glove wearing for Travis Cloke and the McKee ruck rule changes that effectively ended his career.

We certainly seem to have a target on our backs. When ever we find an edge anywhere it is highlighted / slammed and quashed.

And don’t forget the James Clement elbow/forearm to nudge his opponent under the ball and then to change it back after he retired!

[MagpiesTheGreat]

Adelaide Crows vs Collingwood Magpies

FIELD UMPIRES: 10 - Robert O'Gorman, 28 - Cameron Dore, 33 - Brent Wallace
EM: 44 - Giles Lewis
BOUNDARY UMPIRES: Jason Moore, Michael Baker, Peter Bock, Sean Burton
GOAL UMPIRES: Brodie Kenny-Bell, Peter Challen
EM: Daniel Hoskin

No 28 paid a 50m pen. to Walker against Pendles