Umpiring rants ~ receive our scorn

Post by **Dark Beanie** » Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:04 pm

Mark Ruccioto made the comment in the last quarter that Jack would get nothing from the umpires now.

Post by **stoliboy** » Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:20 pm

Adelaide Crows fans with a video on how they saw the umpiring today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJqjE8dWbUk

What'sinaname · Post by **What'sinaname** » Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:21 pm

stui magpie wrote:
Ginni had the ball behind him, between his ankles, he had zero chance to get it out. The umpiring was crap.

Doesn't matter. As soon as you dive for the ball, you HAVE to get rid of it. If you can't, even if you drop the football or someone else grabs it, you're done for HTB.

Post by **stui magpie** » Sat Jul 16, 2022 7:08 pm

Still a shit decision

What'sinaname · Post by **What'sinaname** » Sat Jul 16, 2022 8:05 pm

If anyone wants to know why Ginni doesn't get frees and Selwood does, just watch Selwood. As much as he ducks, he also looks to get rid of the ball. Ginni just holds the ball and tries to suck the umpire into giving him a free.

doriswilgus · Post by **doriswilgus** » Sat Jul 16, 2022 8:13 pm

What'sinaname wrote:
stui magpie wrote:
Ginni had the ball behind him, between his ankles, he had zero chance to get it out. The umpiring was crap.

Doesn't matter. As soon as you dive for the ball, you HAVE to get rid of it. If you can't, even if you drop the football or someone else grabs it, you're done for HTB.

The ball actually came out and Walker could have easily picked it up himself.But he chose to hold the ball to Ginnivan’s ankles instead to win the free kick,He effectively won the free kick by cheating and the umpires obliged him.

inxs88 · Post by **inxs88** » Sat Jul 16, 2022 8:31 pm

What'sinaname wrote:
David wrote:I don’t usually have a go at the umpires and I don’t believe in any anti-Collingwood agenda, but I do think there’s an anti-Ginnivan agenda. That holding the ball free against him was one of the most disgraceful decisions I’ve ever seen. Should have been a free against Walker if anything.
Ginnivan dived for the ball and didn't get rid of it. That's my interpretation for the HTB decision. There was another one, I can't remember exactly.

Usually, I say, sure, that's the rule, but in the wet, it seems a bit crazy to be penalising the player going for the ball.

Thankfully, the umpires were lenient on the kicking in danger. There were quite a few hacks at the ball with the foot that in most other games would have been paid as a kicking in danger.

Difficult to get rid of it when it's in Taylor Walker's hands

dalyc · Post by **dalyc** » Sat Jul 16, 2022 8:34 pm

What'sinaname wrote:
stui magpie wrote:
Ginni had the ball behind him, between his ankles, he had zero chance to get it out. The umpiring was crap.

Doesn't matter. As soon as you dive for the ball, you HAVE to get rid of it. If you can't, even if you drop the football or someone else grabs it, you're done for HTB.

<snip> Never seen another player get done for that. There’s rules for the league and there’s rules for Ginni. Browne needs to front the AFL and say really what the ****!?

What'sinaname · Post by **What'sinaname** » Sat Jul 16, 2022 8:34 pm

doriswilgus wrote:
What'sinaname wrote:
stui magpie wrote:
Ginni had the ball behind him, between his ankles, he had zero chance to get it out. The umpiring was crap.

Doesn't matter. As soon as you dive for the ball, you HAVE to get rid of it. If you can't, even if you drop the football or someone else grabs it, you're done for HTB.
The ball actually came out and Walker could have easily picked it up himself.But he chose to hold the ball to Ginnivan’s ankles instead to win the free kick,He effectively won the free kick by cheating and the umpires obliged him.

Yep, but that's the rule. As soon as you dive on the ball, you have to get rid of it through a legal disposal, otherwise it's holding the ball. Ginni didn't get rid of it after diving on the ball, ergo, holding the ball.

What'sinaname · Post by **What'sinaname** » Sat Jul 16, 2022 8:36 pm

Post by **David** » Sat Jul 16, 2022 8:37 pm

"Diving on the ball" surely entails actually making contact with it at some stage. Whatever he was trying to do, he never had it.

What'sinaname · Post by **What'sinaname** » Sat Jul 16, 2022 8:42 pm

Look at the footage at 12:55 to go in the last, Ginni dives onto the ball. Sure he never takes full possession, but the ball ends up under his legs. So, no surprise that the umpire pays it HTB.

As I said earlier, in the wet, I would prefer the umpire to let these go, but they are paid pretty much every week.

Post by **Jezza** » Sat Jul 16, 2022 9:55 pm

The mistreatment of Ginnivan is borderline corruption.

I hope the club makes a complaint to the AFL and asks them why he's being treated differently compared to other players.

Post by **Haff** » Sat Jul 16, 2022 10:05 pm

Watching for the first time today more objectively now knowing we won so no emotion. I’ll let you know my opinion. So far: 1/4 time, has been ok. The Ginnivan rule is clearly a thing but IMO the kid should just learn to play the game than try and draw frees.

The Starcevich Coterie · Sat Jul 16, 2022 10:11 pm

No sorry Whatsinaname… At no stage was the ball ‘under his legs’.

Have a look in real time again and then the slow-mo replay after.

The ball clearly went through Ginny’s legs and behind him as soon as he went to ground. The ball was ‘clear’ as required by the rule quoted above and it was Walker that did everything to hold it in.

The ump was well positioned and ignored the fact that Walker had possession. In fact, in the lottery that is modern umpiring it could have been paid holding the ball against Walker who clearly had possession and was not knocking the ball clear, or even a trip against him as he was grabbing Ginny around the legs…

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