Coronavirus 5 - Last Blood
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You seem to prefer to conceptualise this topic as a blunt dichotomy (which I find strange, since you plainly understand - at one level - all of the factual points I have been making). Consequently, your political analysis doesn't seem to encompass that stopping people in positions of authority from pretending the disease isn't killing many, many more people in Australia now - right now, not just in January and February when it was at its peak - than at any time before 2022 could be an end in itself. I think it is. The data suggests that the country is "settling" into a pattern in which, in a "good" month there will be between 600 and 800 COVID deaths per month (despite having the lowest mortality figures of the first 3 months of 2022, Australia will pass 700 deaths in March, today - and will likely reach a number between 750 and 800 for the month).
It isn't OK to develop public policy by denying the existence of key information. I don't know what I would do if I "were in charge" but I do know that, fundamentally, I'd start with the evidence - such as it is - about the issue, rather than sweeping the deaths under the carpet. That's what is presently happening. Things seem to have plateaued at a level of disease that will mean around 10,000 deaths per year, give or take. I hope that doesn't prove to be correct in the immediate future. My view, though, is that it would be much less likely to be correct if the politicians started by embracing the plain fact that the numbers suggest that, instead of saying "it's markedly less dangerous", "vaccines are extremely effective" etc. Those things are true, so far as they go. But they are true in only a stupid, tangential way that has nothing at all to do with identifying and dealing with the way the disease is killing more people, more quickly, than before. They are, rather, a means of sidelining the issue politically so they don't have to deal with it.
It isn't OK to develop public policy by denying the existence of key information. I don't know what I would do if I "were in charge" but I do know that, fundamentally, I'd start with the evidence - such as it is - about the issue, rather than sweeping the deaths under the carpet. That's what is presently happening. Things seem to have plateaued at a level of disease that will mean around 10,000 deaths per year, give or take. I hope that doesn't prove to be correct in the immediate future. My view, though, is that it would be much less likely to be correct if the politicians started by embracing the plain fact that the numbers suggest that, instead of saying "it's markedly less dangerous", "vaccines are extremely effective" etc. Those things are true, so far as they go. But they are true in only a stupid, tangential way that has nothing at all to do with identifying and dealing with the way the disease is killing more people, more quickly, than before. They are, rather, a means of sidelining the issue politically so they don't have to deal with it.
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I don't know why you need to make it about me, you were critical of the government approach, I asked you an open question, what would you do?
No one is hiding the deaths, daily deaths are being reported, anyone with a basic grasp of maths can work out how many people have and are dying.
My view is that the Governments would clearly like less deaths, but that's the cost of the current strategy which is to build immunity across the population prior to winter through a combination of vaccinations and natural immunity through infection.
I assume the plan is that that combination of immunity will eventually result in a steadily reducing fatality per infection rate and in the meantime, the most vulnerable and their families will need to take their own precautions.
if you have any alternative suggestions to reduce the fatalities, I'd love to hear it.
No one is hiding the deaths, daily deaths are being reported, anyone with a basic grasp of maths can work out how many people have and are dying.
My view is that the Governments would clearly like less deaths, but that's the cost of the current strategy which is to build immunity across the population prior to winter through a combination of vaccinations and natural immunity through infection.
I assume the plan is that that combination of immunity will eventually result in a steadily reducing fatality per infection rate and in the meantime, the most vulnerable and their families will need to take their own precautions.
if you have any alternative suggestions to reduce the fatalities, I'd love to hear it.
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Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down.
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Was someone at the Game Tested Postive to Covid so we all had to get outthink positive wrote:36,800 of us trying to evacuate the MCG from an unknown threat! Superspreader indeed, meanwhile my best friend has a bad case, not the anti vax one, poor thing her hubby is about as sympathetic as mine when someone else is crook!
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Good to hear she's doing OK.
Your family sounds like a bloke I know up in Toc. Bought a big corner block and built a house on it in his 30's. Subdivided, sold that house and built another next door. Then didn't like the view so sold that and built another behind the first one.
Real estate agent in town who used to play footy with him joked he's the only bloke ever to move house 3 times without leaving the one block of land. 
Your family sounds like a bloke I know up in Toc. Bought a big corner block and built a house on it in his 30's. Subdivided, sold that house and built another next door. Then didn't like the view so sold that and built another behind the first one.
Real estate agent in town who used to play footy with him joked he's the only bloke ever to move house 3 times without leaving the one block of land.
Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down.
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