Coronavirus 5 - Last Blood

[stui magpie]

Liberty Valance

[eddiesmith]

^ remember the good old days.

- curfew 9pm to 5am
- Stay at home orders
- 5km travel restrictions
- No private visitors
- Public gathering limited to 2 people
- ELC, School and Education closed
- no weddings
- funerals limited to 10
- sports facilities CLOSED
- Retail - CLOSED
- Hairdressing and personal care - CLOSED

That's what the doomsayers want a return to, everyone being locked up because they're scared they want everyone else to suffer too.

[Pies4shaw]

I know you prefer to think in dichotomies because it makes the world easier for you to grasp - but surely even you understand that it's possible that people don't want others to suffer in a whole variety of ways? It's possible, for example, not to want people to go back into lockdown and also not to want 3,000 people to die.

[Pies4shaw]

[What'sinaname]

I know you prefer to think in dichotomies because it makes the world easier for you to grasp - but surely even you understand that it's possible that people don't want others to suffer in a whole variety of ways? It's possible, for example, not to want people to go back into lockdown and also not to want 3,000 people to die.

To be fair, Eddie Smith did give you a chance to provide your thoughts on this...

So have the doomsayers said what they'd be doing differently? Do you want schools closed? Never ending lockdowns? Masks outdoors? Or just want to complain about people enjoying life but not actually calling for a return to lockdown so nothing would change in your ideal world?

....and he got this reply.

I think the answer you're fishing for is "No, just let people die by the thousands and no-one give a damn."

[think positive]

Remember when we were told that Omicron was mild and therefore less of a threat than prior versions of COVID?

At the time Omicron was first identified by genomic testing (NSW, 26 November 2021), there had been 1,985 deaths from COVID recorded, Australia-wide (mostly in Victoria).

Australia just passed 5,000 COVID deaths (presently, 5,025 are reported). There have been more than 3,000 deaths reported since 2 December 2021. In the last week, 293 deaths have been reported.

Queensland has recorded almost 500 of its 505 deaths since 6 January 2022.

South Australia has recorded 161 of its 169 deaths since 7 January 2022.

NSW has recorded nearly 2/3 of all deaths in that State (just 663 deaths had been recorded there by 31 December 2021) in 2022. Almost 1,200 of the NSW total of 1,859 deaths have been recorded since 1 January 2022.

Victoria has recorded 884 deaths in 2022, of a total of 2,409 deaths in that State.

Did they all Die OF Covid or how many just had Covid when they Died?

JUST had covid when they died?

If covid was the tipping point for them there is no just! For people who have health vulnerabilities Covid can be a death sentence.

The word ‘just’ in that sentence makes covid a little thing, to the family members of the person who passed away, covid was no little thing.

Take a read about long covid Dave. Aside from death that’s why people who are susceptible to lung decease for a start, need to be extra careful. All the sooking over boosters, my daughters 26 year old bestie has to have a full shot every 2 months, and has since before boosters came out.

Yes I’m sure there have been a few people on their last day who just happened to have covid too, but for the majority I’d say it’s the tipping point. For example, when my BIL died 5 years ago, he had terminal cancer, but he was doing well. He caught an infection while in hospital for a routine blood transfusion, and the infection killed him in 3 days. It robbed us of how ever many weeks or months he had left. I can tell you now, he didn’t just have an infection. It doesn’t matter that he was going to die soon anyway. He may be a statistic to people who never met him, and I get that. But I remember visiting him Easter Saturday, he was good as gold, and looking forward to going home, 2 days later he was in an oxygen mask and it never came off.

A ot of people can’t see this, they should thank their lucky stars they don’t have someone they love who is vulnerable. Until it becomes at least as controllable as the flu, it’s still a worry. Even in a bad foe season, flu doesn’t kill anywhere near as many as covid is still killing.

[think positive]

I know you prefer to think in dichotomies because it makes the world easier for you to grasp - but surely even you understand that it's possible that people don't want others to suffer in a whole variety of ways? It's possible, for example, not to want people to go back into lockdown and also not to want 3,000 people to die.

To be fair, Eddie Smith did give you a chance to provide your thoughts on this...

So have the doomsayers said what they'd be doing differently? Do you want schools closed? Never ending lockdowns? Masks outdoors? Or just want to complain about people enjoying life but not actually calling for a return to lockdown so nothing would change in your ideal world?

....and he got this reply.

I think the answer you're fishing for is "No, just let people die by the thousands and no-one give a damn."

to be fair the ‘nothing would change in your ideal world’ would elicit sarcasm from me too!

Also, I have not seen P4S asking for lock downs, just common sense! Masks etc.

I really don’t get the bitching about them! Think of firefighters, doctors nurses, us deaf people! Why is it so hard?

[stui magpie]

Epidemiologists with 20-20 hindsight, but pretty much on the money.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/vict ... 59sjg.html

Lessons to be learned in the lead up to winter, as I see it, are to make sure the most vulnerable have a recent booster shot. Failure to get the booster to everyone in aged care would seem to have been responsible for the majority of recent deaths. The unavailability of rapid tests at those facilities is a secondary one. If you can't get Nanna boosted at least make sure that the family coming to visit aren't carrying the virus.

Yes, Xmas and NYE probably did create super spreader events, but as they note in the article, lockdowns wouldn't have prevented spread.

The good news is, if you look at the graph, daily deaths is definitely reducing, following the trend of hospitalisations.

So the planning in my view for the next wave should focus on protecting the 5% not restricting the 95%.

[Pies4shaw]

I know you prefer to think in dichotomies because it makes the world easier for you to grasp - but surely even you understand that it's possible that people don't want others to suffer in a whole variety of ways? It's possible, for example, not to want people to go back into lockdown and also not to want 3,000 people to die.

To be fair, Eddie Smith did give you a chance to provide your thoughts on this...

So have the doomsayers said what they'd be doing differently? Do you want schools closed? Never ending lockdowns? Masks outdoors? Or just want to complain about people enjoying life but not actually calling for a return to lockdown so nothing would change in your ideal world?

....and he got this reply.

I think the answer you're fishing for is "No, just let people die by the thousands and no-one give a damn."

to be fair the ‘nothing would change in your ideal world’ would elicit sarcasm from me too!

Also, I have not seen P4S asking for lock downs, just common sense! Masks etc.

I really don’t get the bitching about them! Think of firefighters, doctors nurses, us deaf people! Why is it so hard?

Yes, it's not complex, is it?

[What'sinaname]

to be fair the ‘nothing would change in your ideal world’ would elicit sarcasm from me too!

Also, I have not seen P4S asking for lock downs, just common sense! Masks etc.

I really don’t get the bitching about them! Think of firefighters, doctors nurses, us deaf people! Why is it so hard?

Yes, it's not complex, is it?

It's pretty naive to think you can manage a pandemic (or pretty much anything else) with common sense.

[stui magpie]

Also worthwhile considering that the Omicron wave took off while mask wearing was mandatory inside and has continued to fall as restrictions have been relaxed.

Normal surgical masks don't offer much protection against Omicron, to get proper protection you need a fitted N95 mask or equivalent and proper infection control technique.

In most cases, the reusable cloth masks that I and others wear are practically useless because of how we use them.

You put it on to go into a shop, fiddle with it constantly, then when you walk out you take it off, put it in your pocket or handbag and repeat the process at the next shop. None of that is conducive to protecting against infection.

How many people would regularly properly sterilise their cloth masks?

[#26]

Clive Palmer has covid. At his age and girth it could be problem.

[David]

As his party name foretold, he might finally get the chance to Unite Australia in wishing him a swift and painless end to his illness.

[stui magpie]

Admitted to hospital with "Covid-like" symptoms, not actually diagnosed yet.

Old, Obese, Asthma sufferer and unvaccinated. If he has got it, you'd think he's toast.

[David]

^ Well, they said the same about Trump but he turned out fine. So long as they get Clive on whatever top-secret experimental cures they were pumping him full of, I'm sure he'll be back on his feet in no time!