Post Match. Pies pipped by Port. All comments, please.

[bally12]

Agree MTM. Posters have the right to express their opinion freely, regardless of how long they have been on Nicks.
Lazza comes across as the pontificating club-man, with the moral duty to defend Bucks and the club no matter what. He might be happy with 2 premierships in 53 years, but a lot of supporters are not, including me.
Lazza is like the Iraqi communications minister that is telling us everything is fine, while you can hear the bombs dropping in the background.

The great thing about footy is that you can't hide what happens on the great expanses of the G. We see how the team is, how they play, how they can't connect, how low in confidence they are, how they don't trust their teammates in a 1-on-1 contest. how hesitant and scared they are to play instinctively, and with speed. These things are behaviours, and the blame can fairly and squarely be put on the coaches. It can be nothing else.
Then....after watching this sh#t-show Bucks tries to paint us a completely different narrative to the one we saw play out. Sorry Bucks, we saw the movie.

FWIW Peter035 has a valid point. It's a well-worn pattern that Bucks hardly ever accepts responsibility for the way we play.

[Lazza]

So sick of your antidemocratic rants

Thanks for sharing that with me, now go elsewhere and cry me a river

[Lazza]

Lazza comes across as the pontificating club-man, with the moral duty to defend Bucks and the club no matter what. He might be happy with 2 premierships in 53 years, but a lot of supporters are not, including me.
Lazza is like the Iraqi communications minister that is telling us everything is fine, while you can hear the bombs dropping in the background.

[Magpietothemax]

So sick of your antidemocratic rants

Thanks for sharing that with me, now go elsewhere and cry me a river

[think positive]

^JC Hartley: really good analysis of the game, I found your comments today very clarifying. Our inability to keep the ball in our F50 is not merely due to lack of forward pressure, but is also the direct consequence of poor kicking skills into F50. It is an interesting point that our forwards stopped leading because the quality of delivery was generally so poor, and to the disadvantage of our forwards. It is clear from this analysis that the presence of Cox in our F50 would not in any way have benefited the team, since it was not the marking target per se that was the main issue.

i agree except about Cox, id love to try him, just once more.


JC really good, thankyou, great to see those percentages so much higher than a couple of weeks back, cheers

[thesoretoothsayer]

Only a one point loss this time.
Our gameplan of kicking goals in the first half of the first quarter and then spending 90 minutes dourly defending that lead has almost been perfected.
Expect an avalanche of premierships to follow.

[What'sinaname]

All of the people saying Callum is the 'worst' of anything have the memories of seagulls, I say that respectfully rather than saying 'you can't have only been watching AFL for a short time", which I know ain't true either.

Sure the kid doesn't look up to true AFL standard, and his missed goals hurt, but the hyberbole is a bit much. He cracks in week in week out, and his best is a long way from his worst, which is telling, and separates to good players from the strugglers.

I've seen WAY worse kicks over the journey, and WAY worse players [and so have you if you are honest] so let's just keep A LITTLE perspective and stop the screaming hysterics eh? Drop him by all means, but sheesh.

He is the worst 60 game AFL player I have seen. I have seen worse, but they haven't played nearly as many games as Callum has been gifted.

[slangman]

All of the people saying Callum is the 'worst' of anything have the memories of seagulls, I say that respectfully rather than saying 'you can't have only been watching AFL for a short time", which I know ain't true either.

Sure the kid doesn't look up to true AFL standard, and his missed goals hurt, but the hyberbole is a bit much. He cracks in week in week out, and his best is a long way from his worst, which is telling, and separates to good players from the strugglers.

I've seen WAY worse kicks over the journey, and WAY worse players [and so have you if you are honest] so let's just keep A LITTLE perspective and stop the screaming hysterics eh? Drop him by all means, but sheesh.

Callum is not the worst player to ever play in the AFL but that doesn’t change the fact that he is not AFL standard and should be cut at seasons end.
He does not posses a skill that he excels at which is his biggest issue.
He can’t kick, he is not physical, he isn’t tall, he isn’t lightning quick, his tackling is poor, he isn’t instinctive and he sure as hell can’t win a one-on-one.
In the cutthroat business that is AFL football, he has too many flaws that I can’t see him being on our list next year.

[matrix10]

All of the people saying Callum is the 'worst' of anything have the memories of seagulls, I say that respectfully rather than saying 'you can't have only been watching AFL for a short time", which I know ain't true either.

Sure the kid doesn't look up to true AFL standard, and his missed goals hurt, but the hyberbole is a bit much. He cracks in week in week out, and his best is a long way from his worst, which is telling, and separates to good players from the strugglers.

I've seen WAY worse kicks over the journey, and WAY worse players [and so have you if you are honest] so let's just keep A LITTLE perspective and stop the screaming hysterics eh? Drop him by all means, but sheesh.

I hear you Cam- yet it's hard to argue that he has a habit of missing crucial goals. Did anyone on here actually think he was going to kick that goal? Did any of his teammates? Did he?
He tries his arse off and has had some good games/moments- yet I fear he doesnt have the trust of supporters/teammates and even himself.
It seems as though there were times when teammates avoid kicking to him when he is open.
It was a real game killer- as was the miss against Brisbane and there have been a few others over the journey.
As others have mentioned on here- play him in the centre- he can get the ball and has quick hands- also takes hime away missing team deflating goals.
Sidebottom was worse yesterday

[Collingwouldn't]

Positives are hard to find in these tough times but I saw the following today;
1. Caleb Poulter is a good footballer not overwhelmed by the big time and the way he slotted that last goal is what we should expect from AFL players. Take note Callum Brown!!
2. Will Hoskin-Elliot is a very good footballer worth persisting with on the wing. For about 5 seasons we have been asking him to play as a third tall forward with the ability to take a big mark and hit the scoreboard but that is probably a bridge to far for WHE so it's been good to see him step up to provide some drive off the wing. Questions remain on if he has the engine to run and support defence then be an option to tranfer from defence to attack but at least he has the kicking skills to hit up leading forwards.
3. Team defence - we do well but even our defenders make some shocking mistakes that are the equivalent of shooting yourself in the foot. e.g. Roughead having his kick smothered by a diving Dixon.
4. Taylor Adams - Should be captain of the team next year. He is the reigning B&F at the club and adds leadership, toughness and skill to the team. Just hoping his body holds up under the strain of being an inside midfielder.
5. Beau McCreery - for a first year player he is showing some really positive attributes. He is relatively fast and strong so his role as a defensive forward is well suited to him. Hopefully he can continue to develop his skill set and become more active at hitting the scoreboard. His 3 goals today was just reward, pity he missed a relative sitter in the 3rd Qtr today.
6. Josh Daicos - getting better every game with his on-ball role. His decision making and disposal skills are unfortunately all too rare in this team. Here's hoping Josh continues to develop and that his brother lives up to all the hype around him.

Unfortunately there are a lot more negatives to come out of this game;
1. Pendlebury seems to have declined in his impact on games this season and most worryingly is seeing him fumble and miss disposal targets far more this season than what we have come to expect. Some footballers fall off the edge faster than others....
2. Sidebottom is still very good finding the ball but he too seems to have dropped off in his penetration of the oppositions defense. Too often he takes possession then resorts to timid disposal options.
3. Grundy was monstering the opposition ruck again and whilst he did well to hit the scoreboard today, he should be able to make his disposals count much more and as a team we need to work out how to better leverage Grundy's tap out dominance.
4. To many of our players are timid in their intent to move the ball forward at a speed that will put opposition under pressure. Main, Nobel, Sidebottom and Roughhead prefer the less risky dinky kicks sideways than to take attacking options down the guts or to leading forwards down the line. Maybe they are acting under coaches instructions but unfortunately they still make terrible decisions that hand the ball back to the opposition far too regularly in positions that are killing us. At least Moore, Quaynor, Crisp and Maynard at their best kick with some purpose to get the ball moving forward with speed.
5. Callum Brown can no longer be persevered with until he can improve his kicking penetration i.e. kick the ball more than 35 meters. It's mind blowing how a footballer can make it to the elite level with such a fail in the most important skill of the game in being able to kick. Trent Bianco and / or Nathan Murphy are bother better options to Callum as at least they can actually kick the ball even though they might not get it as much as Callum.

[DT]

Callum Brown needs a psychologist to help him overcome mental issues with kicking for goal. I knew he would miss and the commentators also noticed how tight he was in kicking for a straightforward goal. His kicking action is ok but he does lack depth in his kicking.

He is a useful player in a good team but struggles with our current side.

I am strangely a but optimistic that he would be ok if we had a decent coach

[Collingwouldn't]

Collingwood 8.10.58
Port Adelaide 8.11.59

Goals: McCreery 3, Grundy 2, Poulter, Daics, Cameron 1,

Disposals: Mayne 18, Grundy 16, IQ 15, Crisp, Noble 14, Poulter 13, Roughy, H-E, Moore, Sidey, Daics 12, Pendles 11, Adams 10, JT 9, Wilson 8, Callum 7, Tyler 6.

Tackles: Crisp, Daics 4.

AF Points: Mayne 92, Grundy 91, Roughy 76, Crisp 66,

Crowd:

Let's hear ya !!

[MatthewBoydFanClub]

Agree MTM. Posters have the right to express their opinion freely, regardless of how long they have been on Nicks.
Lazza comes across as the pontificating club-man, with the moral duty to defend Bucks and the club no matter what. He might be happy with 2 premierships in 53 years, but a lot of supporters are not, including me.
Lazza is like the Iraqi communications minister that is telling us everything is fine, while you can hear the bombs dropping in the background.

The great thing about footy is that you can't hide what happens on the great expanses of the G. We see how the team is, how they play, how they can't connect, how low in confidence they are, how they don't trust their teammates in a 1-on-1 contest. how hesitant and scared they are to play instinctively, and with speed. These things are behaviours, and the blame can fairly and squarely be put on the coaches. It can be nothing else.
Then....after watching this sh#t-show Bucks tries to paint us a completely different narrative to the one we saw play out. Sorry Bucks, we saw the movie.

FWIW Peter035 has a valid point. It's a well-worn pattern that Bucks hardly ever accepts responsibility for the way we play.

I think instead of posters commenting on other posters I think we should be concentrating on the thread here which is the post match analysis of the game. FWIW I think Lazza is one of the best posters here - always fair and balanced with constructive things to say about the team. People are entitled to have a view on Nathan Buckley and not let it affect their analysis of the game.

[MatthewBoydFanClub]

Callum Brown needs a psychologist to help him overcome mental issues with kicking for goal. I knew he would miss and the commentators also noticed how tight he was in kicking for a straightforward goal. His kicking action is ok but he does lack depth in his kicking.

He is a useful player in a good team but struggles with our current side.

I am strangely a but optimistic that he would be ok if we had a decent coach

He tightens up at the delivery of the ball onto the foot. The other thing I’ve noticed is that his head gazes up at the field of play as he delivers the ball. Football is played on ground level, not waist level like tennis is played. These two things together result in you pulling the ball. Strange because he appears to be good friends with Daicos who’s a beautiful kick of the football. I might add there’s nothing wrong with Callum Brown’s kicking action at training. There’s something wrong with his translation from the training track to match day.

[mudlark]

All of the people saying Callum is the 'worst' of anything have the memories of seagulls, I say that respectfully rather than saying 'you can't have only been watching AFL for a short time", which I know ain't true either.

Sure the kid doesn't look up to true AFL standard, and his missed goals hurt, but the hyberbole is a bit much. He cracks in week in week out, and his best is a long way from his worst, which is telling, and separates to good players from the strugglers.

I've seen WAY worse kicks over the journey, and WAY worse players [and so have you if you are honest] so let's just keep A LITTLE perspective and stop the screaming hysterics eh? Drop him by all means, but sheesh.

Come on Cam. He may "Crack in",but he continually gets caught with the ball.He has no footy smarts and has no idea how to keep the flow of the game going.Continually looks backward rather than looking to see "How cn I get the ball to someone forward"? Can't kick over a jam jar and his decision making was on full show in the final qtr, where he could have TWICE won the game for us, first,missing a soda of a set shot from 25mtrs and then gathering the ball 35 mtrs out running into an open goal, no pressure and the SHORT passes to Miochec with 2 gorillas hanging off him.No idea and shouldn't be in the team and should be delisted along with Josh Thomas.