Post inauguration Trump:

[Tannin]

It is perfectly obvious that the whole thing is not remotely worth reading, not unless it is capable of making vastly more sense than that deranged sample does.

The rioters had the full support of almost the entire Republican Party. Fact. They voted. They voted to overturn the election.

And the chances of success have never, ever had anything whatsoever to do with the fact of treason. Never. Treason to the state has always been take very, very seriously. If you think about it for more than five seconds, you will realise that it actually has to be, otherwise the state cannot long endure.

They took over the seat of government. That is treason. All day, every day, everywhere.

And don't think for one single moment that Trump "made no attempt to mobilise the power of the state" in his service. He not only tried, he succeeded when he called in the troops to attack peaceful BLM marchers for a photo op. He succeeded when he had the unmarked vans out kidnaping people off the streets.

And he tried again after that, even going so far as to fire several top-level security officials in order to put in flunkies and yes-men, but (to their considerable credit) the military turned their backs on his attempts to suborn them and stood by their oaths of service.

[pietillidie]

[Tannin]

^ Great post

[watt price tully]

It is perfectly obvious that the whole thing is not remotely worth reading, not unless it is capable of making vastly more sense than that deranged sample does.

The rioters had the full support of almost the entire Republican Party. Fact. They voted. They voted to overturn the election.

And the chances of success have never, ever had anything whatsoever to do with the fact of treason. Never. Treason to the state has always been take very, very seriously. If you think about it for more than five seconds, you will realise that it actually has to be, otherwise the state cannot long endure.

They took over the seat of government. That is treason. All day, every day, everywhere.

And don't think for one single moment that Trump "made no attempt to mobilise the power of the state" in his service. He not only tried, he succeeded when he called in the troops to attack peaceful BLM marchers for a photo op. He succeeded when he had the unmarked vans out kidnaping people off the streets.

And he tried again after that, even going so far as to fire several top-level security officials in order to put in flunkies and yes-men, but (to their considerable credit) the military turned their backs on his attempts to suborn them and stood by their oaths of service.

Members of the GOP showed the mob around, some "lawmakers" even participated. To equate this with Charles Manson is not only a false equivalence but seriously stupid where minimization becomes denial.

[Tannin]

WPT, David has a bit of a history of parroting the Trump publicity machine's more devious PR scams. We well remember how he went on and on about that fake Biden-is-a-criminal "leak" cooked up by Rudi Giulani, the one that every reputable news organisation on the planet rejected as a transparent dirty trick. Only Murdoch (still a Trump sycophant at that time) was prepared to print it. And only David was prepared to believe it.

Now I know nothing about whether that rag he quoted has a history of printing Trump-team planted memes, or whether this is just a one-off, but it would certainly take a liar of Rudi Giulani's stature to come up with that Manson idiocy by way of minimisation.

[David]

[David]

[Tannin]

Utter garbage David.

They invaded the seat of government itself.

Violently.

With the intent of overturning a free, fair, democratic election.

Egged on by the losing candidate.

Assisted by the security forces, who did essentially nothing. (There will be investigations into that disgraceful matter, and heads will roll. We don't yet know the exact mix of bumbling incompetence and treason on their part, though we do know that both of those things were on display. Time will tell.)

In support of representatives who were, at that very time, trying to overturn an election.

And with the clear and obvious intention of doing physical harm, probably hanging, government officials they wanted to get rid of, and intimidating all the others.

Pretending that all that didn't happen is beyond foolish.

[Tannin]

Your claim that Jacobin has a "consistently high standard of journalism" is ridiculous, given that you just quoted an article of transparently idiotic denialism.

Well, maybe it was the one and only. Perhaps it is consistently good apart from that rubbish which slipped through on a bad day.

[Pies4shaw]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-19/ ... n/13066154

[David]

Utter garbage David.

They invaded the seat of government itself.

Violently.

With the intent of overturning a free, fair, democratic election.

Egged on by the losing candidate.

Assisted by the security forces, who did essentially nothing. (There will be investigations into that disgraceful matter, and heads will roll. We don't yet know the exact mix of bumbling incompetence and treason on their part, though we do know that both of those things were on display. Time will tell.)

In support of representatives who were, at that very time, trying to overturn an election.

And with the clear and obvious intention of doing physical harm, probably hanging, government officials they wanted to get rid of, and intimidating all the others.

Pretending that all that didn't happen is beyond foolish.

Seems there is still some doubt over whether that last claim (which will obviously play a large role in how severely rioters are prosecuted) is actually true. There’s a big gulf between 1) trespassing and property damage and 2) attempted murder, after all.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 174807001/

[watt price tully]

Funding the dangerous racist nutters through a so called "Christian wbesite"

‘A place to fund hope’: How Proud Boys and other fringe groups found refuge on a Christian fundraising website

"...A review by The Washington Post shows that the self-described Christian website has become a refuge of sorts for outcasts and extremists, including fringe groups such as the Proud Boys as well as conspiracy theorists who seek to undercut the results of the presidential election by promoting debunked claims of fraud. Some of the users claim to have been booted from other crowdfunding websites for violating terms-of-service agreements..."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investig ... story.html

[think positive]

Utter garbage David.

They invaded the seat of government itself.

Violently.

With the intent of overturning a free, fair, democratic election.

Egged on by the losing candidate.

Assisted by the security forces, who did essentially nothing. (There will be investigations into that disgraceful matter, and heads will roll. We don't yet know the exact mix of bumbling incompetence and treason on their part, though we do know that both of those things were on display. Time will tell.)

In support of representatives who were, at that very time, trying to overturn an election.

And with the clear and obvious intention of doing physical harm, probably hanging, government officials they wanted to get rid of, and intimidating all the others.

Pretending that all that didn't happen is beyond foolish.

Seems there is still some doubt over whether that last claim (which will obviously play a large role in how severely rioters are prosecuted) is actually true. There’s a big gulf between 1) trespassing and property damage and 2) attempted murder, after all.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 174807001/

true, you gotta wonder how many demented souls used the unrest as an opportunity to do the bad things in their head. Id say there would be more than a few just wanting some mischief. but then i dont have much faith in humans at the moment!

[David]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ration-day

Many details of the ceremony are not yet clear, although attendees will have to make a pre-dawn start and have been told to arrive by 7.15am, when temperatures are forecast to be below freezing.

Attendees may not bring items including firearms, ammunition, explosives, laser pointers or toy guns.

Do these guys ever get pulled up on their hypocrisy? Everyone should be able to carry a gun on their person at all times as long as it's not around me.

[Pi]

Does this thread get locked tomorrow when Trump leaves office? ...asking for a friend.