Chinese imperialism and future Australian sovereignty

[David]

I certainly don't think we should be shy in criticising China for its human-rights abuses or geopolitical bullying (and have been critical for politicians on both sides for being overly reluctant to do so in the past). But Morrison's reaction to this Twitter incident does seem a bit like getting needlessly sucked in, to be honest. The best way to respond to low-level trolling like that is to ignore it (unless of course one is trying to capitalise on stuff like this for domestic political gain, in which case ...).

[stui magpie]

I'd call it standing up to a bully rather than being needlessly sucked in, and many other countries are supportive of us and our stance.

We've been far more subdued than they have, but maybe enough is enough. We're not going to kowtow and kiss their arse and they don't like it.

[watt price tully]

Not sure that the wine producers agree with you

Treasury Wine Estates chief executive Tim Ford has revealed the nation’s biggest winemaker stopped shipping wine to China a month before Beijing imposed punishing 200 per cent-plus tariffs on Saturday, commencing a company-wide pivot to send his premium wines to new drinkers from London to Taipei.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/business/t ... 4dc11937c0

Oh yes they do (and add barley and other farmers to the mix)

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.nin ... d59acbd8a8

Note (the obvious) cool heads need to prevail. Go figure that megaphone diplomacy doesn’t work.

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I'd call it standing up to a bully rather than being needlessly sucked in, and many other countries are supportive of us and our stance.

We've been far more subdued than they have, but maybe enough is enough. We're not going to kowtow and kiss their arse and they don't like it.

I know what ur saying & I’m as angry as the next person but we need to be strategic about this too. Don’t have to be subservient but need to be smarter than Scotty has been so far.

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[pietillidie]

[David]

[David]

Did anyone know about this? I haven't read the ex-Fairfax papers for a long time, so had no idea. I know times are tough and they needed the money, but FMD do they have any integrity?

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/ ... supplement

[stui magpie]

Who's lacking integrity?

Fairfax for accepting the money to publish it or 9 for stopping it?

I hope you mean the first

[David]

For anyone who doesn't know, for several years they were publishing an eight-page lift-out every month directly regurgitating CCP propaganda. They made it clear that it didn't reflect their editorial view and that it was more like an advertorial, for what it's worth, but they still chose to run it in their newspaper. Apparently The Washington Post, The New York Times and other newspapers have done the same. You can find out more about it here: https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/d ... xi-jinping

Media Watch also did a segment on it at the time: https://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/episo ... da/9972966

Stui, what do you think lol

[stui magpie]

Look, I don't know. I thought I had a pretty good handle on how you think on most things but when you apparently become a right wing Trump supporter, i've entered the Matrix.

[David]

Let's put it this way: if I ever become a right-wing Trump supporter or CCP apologist, you'll know you have entered the Matrix.

[pietillidie]

[stui magpie]

Nah, ****.

Their idea of diplomacy is everyone has to kiss their arse, or else. Nope from me.

Give the pricks some of their own back:
reduce iron ore and coal exports and increase the price of what we do send.
aquire or nationalise with no financial compensation all property with a priority on agriculture, owned by Chinese nationals or companies
find new markets to sell stuff to.

1.5 million people are dead because of China. #****

[pietillidie]