Chinese imperialism and future Australian sovereignty

[Jezza]

[David]

A short piece on the escape of the last remaining Australian foreign correspondents from China after local crackdowns:

https://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/episo ... a/12662914

[stui magpie]

^

They've still got one.

[stui magpie]

Very interesting article (I thought) about China's history and present and the insecurities that casts.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/frag ... 566et.html

I loved the little story about the map and contrasting their reaction with how Germany may have reacted if the roles were reversed.

[stui magpie]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-01/ ... t/12938244

So we now have Chinese bagging us for human rights abuse. Really. #****

Well done to Morrison for calling out this bullshit.

[think positive]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-01/doctored-image-of-australian-soldier-tweeted-by-chinese-diplomat/12938244

So we now have Chinese bagging us for human rights abuse. Really. #****

Well done to Morrison for calling out this bullshit.

****!!!

[pietillidie]

Very interesting article (I thought) about China's history and present and the insecurities that casts.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/frag ... 566et.html

I loved the little story about the map and contrasting their reaction with how Germany may have reacted if the roles were reversed.

You could substitute in any number of face-sensitive cultures and get the same response though, including beloved allies Japan. In fact, Germany is almost a lone example of a country that has grappled with its history at a serious level.

China's identity would be less fragile than most. That bit was a bizarre clutching at straws.

To get the strength of a national identity, you've got to separate the rhetoric of the hour from the more enduring forces that bind (myth, place, language, accumulated group assets), and the most powerful ingredient of all: the provision of economic access and security.

As long as the context keeps providing betterment, fewer questions will be asked of Xi internally than one would like. But, like halfwit Trump and Bush before him, there will come a point when the damage being done becomes obvious.

On the doggedness of cultural identity, look no further than England, complete melting pot of a history, culture, language and identity. Yet publishing the facts about the nation's history history, and repeating them ad nauseum, has zero effect on the ugliest fist-waving nationalism. In fact, the delusions of the nationalist religion only grow to compensate for the threat of reality.

Sane liberal forces will eventually soften the hard edges of China by expanding the incentive base (those people over there are now more important to me than my third cousin or the flag). But you will still get ugly nationalist swings as with Brexit and Trumpism, and as is happening right now with Xi and his wing. But it's just much harder to tolerate that sort of fanaticism coming from a culture that you don't identify with.

[watt price tully]

Turnbull and Morrison have contributed to this unfortunate mess with China. A little less stridency and a lot more diplomacy could well have helped. Morrison should have lost the megaphone a while ago.

We’ve made huge mistakes and Morrison has been part of that.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... s-to-china

[David]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-01/doctored-image-of-australian-soldier-tweeted-by-chinese-diplomat/12938244

So we now have Chinese bagging us for human rights abuse. Really. #****

Well done to Morrison for calling out this bullshit.

Of course it's all just nationalist propaganda and low-level sabre-rattling, but unfortunately this is an inevitable consequence of being responsible for human rights abuses: if we condemn those of other countries (as we should), we shouldn't get all high and mighty when we get hoisted by our own petard.

[Pies4shaw]

^ "Hoisted by" or "Hoist with"?

[David]

[stui magpie]

Turnbull and Morrison have contributed to this unfortunate mess with China. A little less stridency and a lot more diplomacy could well have helped. Morrison should have lost the megaphone a while ago.

We’ve made huge mistakes and Morrison has been part of that.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... s-to-china

Bullshit.

We've set the benchmark for dealing with China that other countries have been copying, inclusing legislative steps and banning Huawai from sensitive infrastructure contracts.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/chin ... 56jfz.html

Jacinda Ardern has stated agreement with Australia and a largew number of other countries are encouraging the populace to drink Australian wine in a show of solidarity against China

https://www.theage.com.au/national/twit ... 56iye.html

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-01/ ... t/12938244

So we now have Chinese bagging us for human rights abuse. Really. #****

Well done to Morrison for calling out this bullshit.

Of course it's all just nationalist propaganda and low-level sabre-rattling, but unfortunately this is an inevitable consequence of being responsible for human rights abuses: if we condemn those of other countries (as we should), we shouldn't get all high and mighty when we get hoisted by our own petard.

At this stage we have allegations, which are being investigated, no-one has been found guilty, whereas China engages in state sponsored ethnic cleansing and drives tanks over protestors.

[David]

[watt price tully]

Turnbull and Morrison have contributed to this unfortunate mess with China. A little less stridency and a lot more diplomacy could well have helped. Morrison should have lost the megaphone a while ago.

We’ve made huge mistakes and Morrison has been part of that.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... s-to-china

Bullshit.

We've set the benchmark for dealing with China that other countries have been copying, inclusing legislative steps and banning Huawai from sensitive infrastructure contracts.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/chin ... 56jfz.html

Jacinda Ardern has stated agreement with Australia and a largew number of other countries are encouraging the populace to drink Australian wine in a show of solidarity against China

https://www.theage.com.au/national/twit ... 56iye.html

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-01/ ... t/12938244

So we now have Chinese bagging us for human rights abuse. Really. #****

Well done to Morrison for calling out this bullshit.

Of course it's all just nationalist propaganda and low-level sabre-rattling, but unfortunately this is an inevitable consequence of being responsible for human rights abuses: if we condemn those of other countries (as we should), we shouldn't get all high and mighty when we get hoisted by our own petard.

At this stage we have allegations, which are being investigated, no-one has been found guilty, whereas China engages in state sponsored ethnic cleansing and drives tanks over protestors.

You miss the point. Being angry and incensed might make you feel good but does nada. Morrison did not cause the furore with China but poured petrol on it by his stupid comments early on about holding China to account for the Coronavirus spread. He’s a dickhead. Do the same but don’t publicly embarrass them: we have your mate the loser Donald to do that.

I felt in a knee jerk sort of way glad Scotty told the Chinese off over the Twitter feed. However I’m not so sure that was in Australia’s best interests to do it like he did: feeds into the idiots like Pauline Hanson and Sky News: never a good idea. The wine producers agree with me.

[stui magpie]

Not sure that the wine producers agree with you

Treasury Wine Estates chief executive Tim Ford has revealed the nation’s biggest winemaker stopped shipping wine to China a month before Beijing imposed punishing 200 per cent-plus tariffs on Saturday, commencing a company-wide pivot to send his premium wines to new drinkers from London to Taipei.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/business/t ... 4dc11937c0