Heath Shaw
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I was wondering when someone would remember that the main reason that Heater went to the Giants was that Buckley thought that he was uncoachable. Buckley has become more flexible in the last few tears and Heath has grown up, but it's still an impossible match.Pebbles Rocks wrote:Bucks offloaded Heater because he petulantly refused to follow the game plan. The chances of him returning are zero.
Heath needs to go to a club that will let him play a Luke Hodge/ Sam Mitchell role. I don't ever see him as a head coach, he's too undisciplined, but he has a fine football brain and he would be a good assistant to a coach with a strong enough personality to control him e.g. Clarkson or Hinkley.
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In the list of players who have played the most games in the VFL/AFL and that we think of primarily as "defenders", Heater's 325 games is behind only Fletcher, Blakey, Doull, Roos, Simpson, Rantall and Enright.
Moreover, unlike, eg, Fletcher, Simpson, Rantall and Roos, he played the vast majority of his games as a champion player in a top team.
Given his age, he is probably done and he wouldn't suit us as a club that needs to rebuild - but let's not pretend that he wouldn't get a game at Collingwood and wouldn't be an immediate 250% upgrade on, eg, Noble.
He would properly be regarded as one of the greatest handful of Collingwood defenders ever to play the game.
Moreover, unlike, eg, Fletcher, Simpson, Rantall and Roos, he played the vast majority of his games as a champion player in a top team.
Given his age, he is probably done and he wouldn't suit us as a club that needs to rebuild - but let's not pretend that he wouldn't get a game at Collingwood and wouldn't be an immediate 250% upgrade on, eg, Noble.
He would properly be regarded as one of the greatest handful of Collingwood defenders ever to play the game.
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I love Heater. Having said that, these kinds of romantic notions is everything that is wrong with Collingwood. Aside from the fact he was moved on for a reason - a reason that still exists - there's no room for him in our team.
Ask yourself, and answer honestly:
Whom does he replace?
What value would he add? (If there was 'meat on the bone' in terms of potential why have GWS delisted him?)
For me, the answer would be:
Can't see him replacing anyone in our back six
He would add little value and there is no upside - even as a mentor he would be unwelcomed by the current coaching and admin staff, which is why he was moved-on in the first place.
Collingwood (or more importantly their supporters) need to become far more clinical in their attitude and forget these romantic notions. Has Beams taught us nothing!?
Ask yourself, and answer honestly:
Whom does he replace?
What value would he add? (If there was 'meat on the bone' in terms of potential why have GWS delisted him?)
For me, the answer would be:
Can't see him replacing anyone in our back six
He would add little value and there is no upside - even as a mentor he would be unwelcomed by the current coaching and admin staff, which is why he was moved-on in the first place.
Collingwood (or more importantly their supporters) need to become far more clinical in their attitude and forget these romantic notions. Has Beams taught us nothing!?
There are 10 types of people in this world, those that understand binary and those that don't.
Abdul The Bull wrote:I love Heater. Having said that, these kinds of romantic notions is everything that is wrong with Collingwood. Aside from the fact he was moved on for a reason - a reason that still exists - there's no room for him in our team.
Ask yourself, and answer honestly:
Whom does he replace?
What value would he add? (If there was 'meat on the bone' in terms of potential why have GWS delisted him?)
For me, the answer would be:
Can't see him replacing anyone in our back six
He would add little value and there is no upside - even as a mentor he would be unwelcomed by the current coaching and admin staff, which is why he was moved-on in the first place.
Collingwood (or more importantly their supporters) need to become far more clinical in their attitude and forget these romantic notions. Has Beams taught us nothing!?
Well said Abdul, this club has to focus forwards, not backwards. And certainly not with yesterdays club champions. Yes he WAS a great player..but that time has passed.
No one at the club has owned up to the Beams trade call. Huge mistake that was...these sort of mistakes have to be learned from or we will be stuck in a holding pattern.
"To know nothing of events before your birth, is to forever remain a child" - Cicero (Roman Lawyer/Senator) 46 BCE.
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