George Floyd Police killing and protests

[Pies4shaw]

The earlier discussion ended here: viewtopic.php?p=1962160

Please put further discussion concerning the George Floyd killing and subsequent protests/riots in this thread.

Pies4shaw for BBMods.

[stui magpie]

Thanks for that P4S, efforts much appreciated.

Unfortunately I doubt this will be the last time we see this kind of situation, far better it has it's own thread.

And to start the ball rolling, one for Tannin, I'd consider Antifa left wing, wouldn't you? Or are the stats on that difficult.

[Morrigu]

George Floyd death: Family seek independent autopsy in police brutality case

An independent medical examiner has been hired by George Floyd’s legal team for an autopsy after one conducted by the county pathologist revealed “no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation”.

Civil rights lawyer Benjamin Crump issued a statement on the weekend addressing the Hennepin County Medical Examiner’s preliminary findings, saying “attempts to avoid the hard truth will not stand”.

The findings of the report by forensic pathologists Dr Michael Baden and Dr Allecia Wilson will be made public after the independent autopsy, to be conducted in the next few days.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.new ... 012f000744

[stui magpie]

[K]

Arnold Schwarzenegger:

The America I Love Needs to Do Better

Patriotism isn’t just the blind love of our flag. It is the work we do to improve our country for every American.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... er/612442/

[Pies4shaw]

[pietillidie]

Some of the best insights are in the NYT comments section:

America had an opportunity to have meaningful dialogue when Kapernick peacefully protested, but what he got was blackballed and publicly disgraced. The cards were put on the table during that moment: it was really about silencing black bodies and showing us who had power. Now, the current protests are equally criticized. Um hmm. Y'all didn't want to listen when people were on a bent knee, so talks of respectful protest now means nothing to those who watched and listened to you in real time. The social contract has been destroyed and no one should blame the rioters as all of the extraordinary evil, incompetence, and violent rhetoric that has been excused and rationalized by the ruling "majority" and those who support them.

https://nyti.ms/2U04IAR#permid=107366322

Indeed. More inaction long after the warning shots, much like coronavirus denial, delay and scoffing. Does anyone with power in that country devote any time at all to managing risk and generally giving a toss? Trump really is an accurate reflection of national delusion.

I feel sorry for all parties concerned and the rest of the world getting dragged down with them. I just wish more people gave a toss two decades ago. Now, they've got the other shoe of pandemic denial, racial segregation denial, inequality denial, climate change denial, and international decline denial all dropping at once during an economic depression. Marvellous.

[Morrigu]

[think positive]

interesting.

thanks for the explanation,

youd still think though, that saying results of the initial autopsy didnt give cause for criminal charges is a bit of a stretch.

[stui magpie]

Assuming that they weren't deliberately trying to kill him, which just does not compute, I actually don't understand what they thought they were doing.

This gives a pretty good summary of the 3 different videos that show what happened.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/01/us/g ... index.html

Skipping the preamble, they've handcuffed him and tried to get him in the car, he's resisted and ended up on the ground beside the car, so one cop puts his knee on his throat. Why?

There's 4 of them there, Ok, George wasn't a little bloke but he wasn't massive either, there was 4 of them and he was restrained, don't they get training in getting resistant people into the car?

Was the goal to just hurt him until he agreed to not resist? Render him unconscious and load him in? I wouldn't consider either of those to be legitimate tactics for someone resisting arrest but I can't figure out what the goal was.

[David]

Some of the best insights are in the NYT comments section:

America had an opportunity to have meaningful dialogue when Kapernick peacefully protested, but what he got was blackballed and publicly disgraced. The cards were put on the table during that moment: it was really about silencing black bodies and showing us who had power. Now, the current protests are equally criticized. Um hmm. Y'all didn't want to listen when people were on a bent knee, so talks of respectful protest now means nothing to those who watched and listened to you in real time. The social contract has been destroyed and no one should blame the rioters as all of the extraordinary evil, incompetence, and violent rhetoric that has been excused and rationalized by the ruling "majority" and those who support them.

https://nyti.ms/2U04IAR#permid=107366322

Indeed. More inaction long after the warning shots, much like coronavirus denial, delay and scoffing. Does anyone with power in that country devote any time at all to managing risk and generally giving a toss?

Agree with all of that, on both counts. And while this problem is much bigger than the current White House occupant, it's absolutely true that Trump led the charge on attacking Kaepernick and ruining his career due to his peaceful protests about the same thing that people are now setting fire to buildings over. People complain about specific "Black Lives Matter" tactics or miss the point about its name, but the biggest thing they overlook is that black lives are so often treated as expendable in confrontations with police, and that none of the tactics employed by protesters up until now have changed that dynamic. Perhaps the powers that be will sit up and pay attention now.

[stui magpie]

^

Arson and looting are not legitimate protest tactics, they're criminal acts and should be treated as such.

[What'sinaname]

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Arson and looting are not legitimate protest tactics, they're criminal acts and should be treated as such.

what other choice do you have when the problem doesn't go away? And don't say removing Donald Turnip will make a difference as this issue has been around for a loooong time.

This isn't a Trump issue. Obama didn't / couldn't fix it just as all previous Presidents haven't made it better.

#BLM

[stui magpie]

There are other choices, stealing stuff isn't protesting, it's stealing stuff.

You're right that it's not a Trump issue it's a local and state government issue. It's like every city or council area have their own Police Department.

Go to LA. It has it's own Police Department (LAPD) but Beverly Hills and Santa Monica which are basically suburbs of LA, are their own cities and have their own Police Departments.

That means you have no consistency in training, standards, quality of recruits and each city Mayor wields influence over their Police Department.

[Morrigu]

interesting.

thanks for the explanation,

youd still think though, that saying results of the initial autopsy didnt give cause for criminal charges is a bit of a stretch.

But it did - the findings of the preliminary autopsy report were detailed in the criminal complaint that saw him charged with third-degree murder and manslaughter and the other three fired.

Now that the final report has been released with the ME classifying his death as a homicide, it will be interesting to see if the charges are upgraded (I don't know what 3rd degree murder actually means?) and the other 3 are charged?