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K wrote:
Jezza wrote:The second trial ... was dropped due to a "lack of admissible evidence".
I wonder what made it inadmissible.
You remember how several pages back, I said that I was not going to try to explain the concept of "similar fact" evidence and its limits? I'm still not going to.
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I can't say "yes" or "no".
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Pies4shaw wrote:You remember how several pages back, I said that I was not going to try to explain the concept of "similar fact" evidence and its limits? I'm still not going to.
When I was studying Evidence at university, they referred to it as "tendency evidence" and "coincidence evidence".
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Yes, and? When I was teaching at university, they called it whatever I suggested they should.
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Jezza wrote:
Pies4shaw wrote:You remember how several pages back, I said that I was not going to try to explain the concept of "similar fact" evidence and its limits? I'm still not going to.
When I was studying Evidence at university, they referred to it as "tendency evidence" and "coincidence evidence".
When was this exactly?
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Pies4shaw wrote:
K wrote:...
I wonder what made it inadmissible.
You remember how several pages back, I said that I was not going to try to explain the concept of "similar fact" evidence and its limits? I'm still not going to.
Jezza wrote:...
When I was studying Evidence at university, they referred to it as "tendency evidence" and "coincidence evidence".
Oh... I guess you're (P4S) saying it's the grouping of the three swimming complaints as one... and each wouldn't stand up on its own...
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It would be nice if it was made up of only good memories.
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Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down.
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No - but he may be in the VFL for this one. You know, "Out, fatigue", although, at his age, it might be the old Nick Maxwell "Calf, 1 week".
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David wrote:I think there's definitely something more democratic in theory about a jury (i.e. they are just ordinary citizens from all walks of life), and we need to not get too caught up in elitism and remember that judges, too, may suffer from their own biases and limitations. I think it's clear that our justice system has a lot of components that are frustratingly imperfect, so I guess the only question is whether it's actually possible to improve upon them or whether, like democracy, this is the best worst system available.
Maybe if one system were used uniformly in all cases and all places, instead of all the differences there are now, that would indicate more agreement on what's the best imperfect system. Or else, if there is such agreement, the differences might indicate that societies don't care about having the best imperfect system in all cases (e.g. if it's not 'important enough' to warrant the cost)...
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... ren-checks

That is the way to restore public confidence in the clergy.
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Pies4shaw wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/06/armidale-bishop-directs-catholic-schools-to-stop-asking-priests-for-working-with-children-checks

That is the way to restore public confidence in the clergy.
WWCC were a badly thought out knee jerk reaction to bad publicity. I have no issues with the principle but the (Vic) legislation is a dogs breakfast. Having said that, I agree.

Apparently there's legislation pending (not sure if federal or state) to compel priests to report suspicions of child abuse obtained via the confessional. Again, fine in principle but I have NFI how it could be enforced in practice
Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down.
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"Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." – Julian Assange
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Given their splendid track record, should there even be a confessional? Is it ever safe for anyone to be alone with a a priest in a closeted space?
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