North Korea

[Dave The Man]

"At dawn on Sunday, 25 June 1950, the Korean People's Army crossed the 38th parallel behind artillery fire."

Do you blame Poland for starting World War 2?

There never be a World War as the War be over Too Quick

[Pa Marmo]

Attack your friends and allies, and extenuate the really nasty regimes. Very strange.

Thats the idiocy of the religion of the brain dead left.

[stui magpie]

Lets all back off and let NK be.

What could possibly go wrong?

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/04/opini ... index.html

Wonderful country, if you're in the leadership group not one of the peasants starving.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/20/polit ... index.html

[Pies4shaw]

Attack your friends and allies, and extenuate the really nasty regimes. Very strange.

Thats the idiocy of the religion of the brain dead left.

I'm glad you've picked up on the idiocy of religion.

[Mountains Magpie]

Balls. Putin is out for what he can get. The only reason he hasn't got his grubby hands all over North Korea is that China thought of it first. Putin bears a lot of responsibility for numerous disasters around the world, including the entire Syria/Middle-East shocker (which in turn led to civil unrest and extremism in Europe, not ignoring Brexit); the horrorshow that is Crimea; and the unexploded bomb with the orange hair.

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[HAL]

Interesting explanation.

[Pa Marmo]

Attack your friends and allies, and extenuate the really nasty regimes. Very strange.

Thats the idiocy of the religion of the brain dead left.

I'm glad you've picked up on the idiocy of religion.

What are you talking about lefty, I've never liked religion.

[Mugwump]

Thats the idiocy of the religion of the brain dead left.

I'm glad you've picked up on the idiocy of religion.

What are you talking about lefty, I've never liked religion.

Communism is nothing like a religion, of course... no.....

[David]

Attack your friends and allies, and extenuate the really nasty regimes. Very strange.

Thats the idiocy of the religion of the brain dead left.

Did you both totally miss what I wrote?

I'm not saying that only the US have responsibility here, by the way. But they are our allies, and we can, perhaps, encourage them to behave reasonably and talk them back from the brink of conflict. With North Korea, by now I think the approach can only start and end with harm minimisation.

The point being that we are not in a position to try to talk to North Korea as a reasonable ally, and can only now resolve how best to deal with them tactically. That has nothing whatsoever to do with 'attacking' our allies or letting rogue states off the hook.

[Mugwump]

Attack your friends and allies, and extenuate the really nasty regimes. Very strange.

Thats the idiocy of the religion of the brain dead left.

Did you both totally miss what I wrote?

I'm not saying that only the US have responsibility here, by the way. But they are our allies, and we can, perhaps, encourage them to behave reasonably and talk them back from the brink of conflict. With North Korea, by now I think the approach can only start and end with harm minimisation.

The point being that we are not in a position to try to talk to North Korea as a reasonable ally, and can only now resolve how best to deal with them tactically. That has nothing whatsoever to do with 'attacking' our allies or letting rogue states off the hook.

I read what you wrote, and like many posts, some of my own included, it carried a disclaimer that you were not saying something (ie that the US is primarily at fault) while producing a significant number of inadequately contexted facts strongly implying that it was - "the US's belligerence in the region" ; the bombing of Pyongyang under UN Mandate during the Korean war ; North Korea's leadership are "lunatics with a legitimate grievance", etc.

It's the nicer person's version of "I'm not racist/sexist/Communist, but ...." The overt disclaimer is completely undermined by the entire tendency of the article. One should seek to understand NK's motivation. It has, however, no "legitimate grievances". It invaded the South as a Soviet puppet in 1950, was saved by Maoist China, and then settled into a state of vicious internal repression and an external policy of chicken and extortion aimed largely at SK and the US ever since.

[Tannin]

One should seek to understand NK's motivation. It has, however, no "legitimate grievances". It invaded the South as a Soviet puppet in 1950, was saved by Maoist China, and then settled into a state of vicious internal repression and an external policy of chicken and extortion aimed largely at SK and the US ever since.

As a card-carrying anti-American with leftist leanings, all I can say about ^this^ post without offending the rules of decent conversation is that it is absolutely correct.

[pietillidie]

From what I can tell, the Korean War was a case of justified action, albeit in a cloud of hysteria over communism and hopeless ignorance of Korea itself. While Rhee Syngman should never have been let near power, there were still genuinely aggressive and powerful external belligerents involved, so they get to wear most of the blame.

Of course, it was all downhill after that as far as responsible global leadership goes for the US and allies. The great lineup of disgraces from Vietnam to Iraq, and the wrecking of minnow and peasant nations in between, makes the more justified efforts harder to recall.

[Wokko]

"Malcolm Turnbull has urged Australians in China, Japan and South Korea to be prepared to leave."

Holy Shit. This was after a 30 minute phone call with The Donald yesterday.

[Wokko]

What a weird, wonderful time to be alive.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-lif ... 5e4ce7a4dc

[stui magpie]

"Malcolm Turnbull has urged Australians in China, Japan and South Korea to be prepared to leave."

Holy Shit. This was after a 30 minute phone call with The Donald yesterday.

I'll really worry if I hear he's lining the wine cellar at Point Piper with lead and steel reinforcement.