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David wrote:
I think it's just wishful thinking. China don't know how to handle Kim any more than the US do. They liked having North Korea around back in the day as a bargaining chip, but they've long since lost control of the situation.
NK's Imports in 2015 : $3.5 Bln. China's exports to NK in 2015 : $3 Bln
NK's exports in 2015 : $2.8 Bln. China's imports from NK in 2015 : $2.4 Bln

You can do the percentages. These are the declared figures, so probably finessed down. If they don't know how to handle Kim, I could suggest a way for starters.....

Alternatively, they know damn well what they are doing, in this game.
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China placing further sanctions on North Korea will only worsen the situation for the people who are already suffering under Kim, most of whom probably have no real idea of what the rest of the world has to offer as few most likely have access to a free and open internet and have been brainwashed since birth or are scared into submission by a brutal regime.

China most likely is using North Korea as a pawn in a proxy war with the US but such is the unknown with the hermit kingdom can we be certain that they would abandon there nuclear ambition because of Chinese pressure?
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^ no easy answers Swoop, but a nuclear armed mafia state with a taste for extortion and no regard for international rules is not really an acceptable outcome either. All pressure short of military force should be brought to bear. China is not helping. It created this monster and it helps sustain it for a reason.
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Think of the positives... new series of M*A*S*H 😎
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Not sure we'll have TV after the apocalypse. :(
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David wrote:Not sure we'll have TV after the apocalypse. :(
Aw for gawds sake, slap yourself.
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David wrote:Not sure we'll have TV after the apocalypse. :(
You weren't alive during the height of the Cold War, were you? "Duck and cover" was the usual advice given. :lol:
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David wrote:Not sure we'll have TV after the apocalypse. :(
You weren't alive during the height of the Cold War, were you? "Duck and cover" was the usual advice given. :lol:
In case of nuclear war, go to a solid structure and assume the brace position.

Sit down on the floor, lean forward with your head between your legs....




And kiss your arse goodbye. :P
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stui magpie wrote:
David wrote:Not sure we'll have TV after the apocalypse. :(
Aw for gawds sake, slap yourself.
Hey, if the prospect of nuclear war doesn't scare you, I'd trade your outlook for mine any day. I just don't know if it's an objectively more reasonable position to take.

The good news is that if the US strikes North Korea or if they attack first, the nuclear warheads deployed from Pyongyang probably won't hit us. The bad news is that any nuclear strikes will have calamitous effects in both the short and long term, not just in terms of the numbers of lives lost in Japan, the Korean Peninsula and elsewhere but also in terms of mass people movements, radiation poisoning and resource shortages.
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What's there to be scared of? "We'll all go together when we go."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frAEmhqdLFs

Or, as he wrote in another context, "Once ze rockets are up, who cares where they come down? That's not my department ...."
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Skids wrote:Think of the positives... new series of M*A*S*H 😎
I'd rather watch the mushroom cloud. :lol:
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David wrote:Not sure we'll have TV after the apocalypse. :(
Aw for gawds sake, slap yourself.
Hey, if the prospect of nuclear war doesn't scare you, I'd trade your outlook for mine any day. I just don't know if it's an objectively more reasonable position to take.

The good news is that if the US strikes North Korea or if they attack first, the nuclear warheads deployed from Pyongyang probably won't hit us. The bad news is that any nuclear strikes will have calamitous effects in both the short and long term, not just in terms of the numbers of lives lost in Japan, the Korean Peninsula and elsewhere but also in terms of mass people movements, radiation poisoning and resource shortages.
It doesn't scare me, maybe because I grew up during the Cold War and maybe because the best Nth Korea could do is hit Darwin. if they could hit Melbourne I might be a tad concerned.
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We certainly have been and continue to be in a very fortunate place in the world, geographically speaking.
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Life on the set of Terminator doesn't appeal?
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Nice short article and several interesting photos of life in Nth korea, if you happen to be one of the chosen few.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business/ec ... 2bae033e96

I particularly like the photo of the 20" CRT monitor gaffer taped to an overgrown Mechano set masquerading as a Tractor driving simulator. Some of the others I find, for some reason, depressing.
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