The end of Windies cricket ??

Joe · Post by **Joe** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 8:04 pm

This topic is an insult to the greatest team to have ever played the game.
We must acknowlege the brilliance that was and shall be again.
The other day India beat Australia,that proves that anything is possible.
The comments of this furry creature have shattered me.
I am gonna get electric fences that go six feet into the ground and I am gonna cook me some fur balls.
Please show some respect to the Windies.

commonwombat · Post by **commonwombat** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 8:18 pm

Joe,

I do respect the Windies. In fact I will always barrack for them when they play the Aussies. It is good to see some talent coming thru and can only hope they do justice to it and can STAY generally competitive.

I am only airing some hard cold old facts about the health of the game back there. If things aint right there, then yr hopes aren't good long term.

BTW, don't underestimate the ingenuity of a wombat as he may evade yr electric fence. Also we wombats taste bloody awful and are as tough as old boots so have fun chowing down to yr furball stew. You might have digested it by start of next season.

Bye now!!

Post by **Donny** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 8:32 pm

I have a question for Joe and Clokey.

Why does Charlie Lara score heavily against the teams with good attacks - Australia and Sri Lanka - and no-one else ??

Oops, I forgot England. He once hit a high score against them didn't he ?

couragous cloke · Post by **couragous cloke** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 9:31 pm

Check your stats Mr MAGFAN8, he scores evenly around the board, and wombat, Can u back up some of your comments with some facts, i mean, u told Joe to stop thinking about the past, when your looking into the past as u type!

HAL · Post by **HAL** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 9:35 pm

Checking. . . stand by.

couragous cloke · Post by **couragous cloke** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 9:51 pm

Geez that was a long read Wombat,

First of all i'd like to say that i thought that i didnt seem to get agressive at any stage... secondly u seem like an extreamly intellegent person and ive no doubtably underestimated your Knowledge for the Game i love so dearly...

But... i think you've cut my team short, very short and i also think u underestimate the Power of success.

U state many problems with the west indies in your Reply, Many Problems that have already been sorted out, and many problems that are sorted out with a little thing called "success"

As for not seeing my argument, perhaps it may be a case of being so absorbed in your own viewpoint that you refuse to acknowledge any other.

^^^ i think that is an unfair comment... i think u should read through some of my replies before saying that, i agreed with u on most comments u made on the west indies but i stated clearly that u were looking into the past, i wasnt saying u were wrong, i just stated that u were not talking about the west indies of Now.

All your comments were directed to the team that travelled to South Africa then Australia and lost 10 test matches.

With Consistancey, i would have agreed with that about 12-18 months ago, but over the past year or so consistancey has started to pop up from all directions...

You Have a dig at The Administration... again, your comments state back to 18-20 months ago.

You say u Live in South Africa? We're cumin over to play 4 tests and 7 ODI's in December- Jan, we'll see how they go as far as Talent and consistancey goes.

cheers, and by all means if u thought i was getting agressive, personal or Rude, you were sadly wrong... i luv a cricket convo..

commonwombat · Post by **commonwombat** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 9:55 pm

MR Courageous Cloke,

What do you define as the past?? Last week, last month, last year??
How I choose to make a proper analysis of a player is over some period of time ie a few years rather than look at their figures over only one or two series. Quite obviously, you disagree.

With regards to facts, please specify what you wish to have backed up. Come on now, speak up!!! You are obviously a great authority on this game and I obviously have have no credentials whatsoever with regards to the game of cricket.

I have tried to keep this civil and tried to reach some common ground but if you wish to play hard ball fine. State clearly exactly which matters you wish me to elaborate or back up. Over to you.

couragous cloke · Post by **couragous cloke** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 10:07 pm

did somone turn up the heat in here

What do you define as the past?? Last week, last month, last year??
How I choose to make a proper analysis of a player is over some period of time ie a few years rather than look at their figures over only one or two series. Quite obviously, you disagree.

Im not making my analysis of a player, im making it of a team... and This Team Has changed about 80% over the past Five years...

so how can u possibly give them the tag of the "jimmy Adams" side of 99-00??

Post by **Donny** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 10:18 pm

Well, Clokey, I got HAL to check the stats.

He scores evenly around the board, eh ?

Against Australia he scores just under his overall average with 51.45

New Zealand: 51.16

Sri Lanka: 86.53 and England: 65.26

Then what do have we here ? India: 37.66

Sth. Africa: 35.95 and Pakistan: 30.30

Ooops, what was I saying ?

commonwombat · Post by **commonwombat** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 10:49 pm

ok C.C I'm very happy to clear the air and I do certainly hope we can have intelligent discussion on this and other matters. I got terse because you did come over rather negatively and apologise for my part. We both may have jumped to inaccurate conclusions.

Let's clarify one point. I currently do not live in Sth Africa and let me tell you, there's probs big time with talent depth, politics and admin down there and it could be an interesting series. Your boys rate some chance but both sides are lacking in bowling stakes.

I did play most of my cricket there for 2 provinces, nowadays I umpire 1st grade in Sydney. Enough of that crap.

Let's agree, there is currently the best group of young batting talent WI have had since the end of their glory days. Agree, that they are far more competitive now than for several years before. I certainly hope that as many as possible translate their promise into consistent long intl careers.

The fact that Lara is back playing great cricket can only be good for the game, it's a shame that so much of this great batsman's career was unproductive for whatever reasons.

That's where we seem to differ, you are placing emphasis on recent shorter term whereas I'm looking over a longer period. Can you understand my reasoning???

With regards to WI cricket admin and my economics, I regret that I will stand my ground. Firstly in my old finance industry job, I read Intl Monetary Fund reports on some of the countries. Secondly, re admin and the like, cricinfo and especially caribbeancricket.com have some interesting reports.

I far from disrespect WI cricket. I have watched them from before they hit the top, their glory days and the bad years. I have even played against the 83-84 rebel side and believe that a healthy WI is vital for the health of the game worldwide.

Sadly, I am not overly confident of the game's long term health in the Caribbean. Don't mind you disagreeing with me, but please I can back up my case on that score.

Looking forward to future peaceful discussions. Wombat

couragous cloke · Post by **couragous cloke** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 8:18 pm

We both may have jumped to inaccurate conclusions.

Yes, u could say that, i guess i was being a little defencive of my windies

but i still thought u cut them and their future abit short...

After Carefull Elaboration i realised u were rather Quite Accurate about most things, jus thought u were looking into the earlier, more troubled, embarrassing, Pathetic westindies of 98-99-00.

Post by **Donny** » Thu Oct 30, 2003 1:45 pm

couragous cloke · Post by **couragous cloke** » Fri Oct 31, 2003 9:02 pm

couldnt help yourself could u donny! Success will cure everything...

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The end of Windies cricket ??